Has internet cult libertarianism morphed into cult alt right conservatism?

[Phony Moderate]

Back in the 2007-2012 period it was often difficult to find an American political YouTube video that wasn't spammed with RON PAUL comments. But a lot of internet libertarians from that era, such as Stefan whatshisname, now advocate border controls, cultural preservation etc. Furthermore, YouTube videos are now spammed with DONALD TRUMP comments, despite the Libertarian Party polling at record numbers and looking set to easily break its all-time record for a presidential election.

Perhaps it's all down to a general anti-establishment thing, but still.

[evergreenarbor]

I think this has definitely been happening, especially on sites like reddit.

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On a similar note, the morphing of the rabid antitheism that spread like Japanese knotweed during the end of the Bush administration into attacks on the PC/SJW menace with Obama in charge.

[Sprouts Farmers Market ✘]

No, it's morphed into far leftism by all accounts.

[Boston Bread]

No, it's morphed into far leftism by all accounts.

I wouldn't call the average Sanders supporter far-left, but yes his movement took in many former Paulites. Young males who were edgy anarchists in high school who now have to pay for college.

[Grand Wizard Lizard of the Klan]

In Poland both existed in the same time and probably still exists. And even sometimes merge.

[Atlas Has Shrugged]

The internet-cult libertarian movement is basically the first post-internet generation following the Buchanan brigades. It is going back to basics; the only evolution I've noticed is a rise of more creepier characters like Milo and other nihilists interlopers.

[RINO Tom]

No, it's morphed into far leftism by all accounts.

I wouldn't call the average Sanders supporter far-left, but yes his movement took in many former Paulites. Young males who were edgy anarchists in high school who now have to pay for college.

In a delicious and ironic twist of fate, should Sanders' ideals pass, a good chunk of these Bernie cultists will be paying for aforementioned free education while never having actually gotten to benefit from it themselves.

[Blue3]

The populist mood just keeps shifting, that's all.

In 10 years, the mood will be all about the Techno-Christian movement, for all we know.

[buritobr]

Back in the 2007-2012 period it was often difficult to find an American political YouTube video that wasn't spammed with RON PAUL comments. But a lot of internet libertarians from that era, such as Stefan whatshisname, now advocate border controls, cultural preservation etc. Furthermore, YouTube videos are now spammed with DONALD TRUMP comments, despite the Libertarian Party polling at record numbers and looking set to easily break its all-time record for a presidential election.

Perhaps it's all down to a general anti-establishment thing, but still.

This is exactly what is happening in Brazil too. In the 2000s, online debates had libertarians who criticized both the left and the traditional right (they were already stronger critics of the left). They were atheists, pro marijuana legalization and pro Austrian Economics. One of them became a columnist in newspapers (he used to suck ass both in the online debates and in the newspapers).
In the 2010s, the same libertarians became alt right conservatives. They are still atheists, but they don't talk about atheism anymore. Sometimes, they cricticize leftist atheists and they say that religion is good for the society. They have strong anti feminist, anti black movement, and anti LGBT movement views. Almost all of them are male, white, hetero. In the 2000s, they used to dislike the congressmen of the evangelical right. Now, they think that it is a necessary evil, because they are good to fight against the left. Some of the former "libertarians" are fans of the far right congressman Jair Bolsonaro, an army officer who has already said that the military dictatorship (1964-1985) commited the mistake of torturing the enemies but not executing them. Some of these former "libertarians" think that Jair Bolsonaro is not good, but they think also that he is not as bad as the left.

[IceSpear]

It has nothing to do with any specific ideology. Young white men on the internet just like to buy into whatever "anti-establishment" crusade is hot at the time. That's why you can find Ron Paul/Bernie Sanders supporters.

[Figueira]

To some extent yes, but annoying Gary Johnson fans still exist.

[Rules for me, but not for thee]

Back in the 2007-2012 period it was often difficult to find an American political YouTube video that wasn't spammed with RON PAUL comments. But a lot of internet libertarians from that era, such as Stefan whatshisname, now advocate border controls, cultural preservation etc. Furthermore, YouTube videos are now spammed with DONALD TRUMP comments, despite the Libertarian Party polling at record numbers and looking set to easily break its all-time record for a presidential election.

Perhaps it's all down to a general anti-establishment thing, but still.

Many libertarians backed Ron Paul but much fewer back Donald Trump.  Conservatives (especially of the alt-right) are the Trumpers.  I don't/won't support Trump but libertarians and the right come together to fight on the ground of "cultural libertarianism" vs PC/SJW culture of the far left.  (Bernie is/was not a part of this mostly).

[Zioneer]

Back in the 2007-2012 period it was often difficult to find an American political YouTube video that wasn't spammed with RON PAUL comments. But a lot of internet libertarians from that era, such as Stefan whatshisname, now advocate border controls, cultural preservation etc. Furthermore, YouTube videos are now spammed with DONALD TRUMP comments, despite the Libertarian Party polling at record numbers and looking set to easily break its all-time record for a presidential election.

Perhaps it's all down to a general anti-establishment thing, but still.

Oh crap, so THAT'S why my anarchist dad (anarcho-capitalist, and can't comprehend the idea of anarcho-socialism, as an FYI to our socialists) is suddenly a border control-loving, Muslim-fearing, cultural heritage "protecting" nut. He's a Stefan Molynuex cultist, so I imagine he's going with Stefan Molynuex's rant of the day. Explains so much if Stefan's gone all alt-right.

[Rules for me, but not for thee]

Back in the 2007-2012 period it was often difficult to find an American political YouTube video that wasn't spammed with RON PAUL comments. But a lot of internet libertarians from that era, such as Stefan whatshisname, now advocate border controls, cultural preservation etc. Furthermore, YouTube videos are now spammed with DONALD TRUMP comments, despite the Libertarian Party polling at record numbers and looking set to easily break its all-time record for a presidential election.

Perhaps it's all down to a general anti-establishment thing, but still.

Oh crap, so THAT'S why my anarchist dad (anarcho-capitalist, and can't comprehend the idea of anarcho-socialism, as an FYI to our socialists) is suddenly a border control-loving, Muslim-fearing, cultural heritage "protecting" nut. He's a Stefan Molynuex cultist, so I imagine he's going with Stefan Molynuex's rant of the day. Explains so much if Stefan's gone all alt-right.

An an-cap dad that went alt-right? Weird he can't comprehend the anarcho-socialist side because they've been around longer as a group.  I'm not in that boat: I think the TSA is a failure but temporarily at least is a concentration of scrutiny on our borders (no silly wall) while we back off being Team America World Police and let the world cool off on our interventions.

[Mopsus]

My guess is that the ideology hasn't changed, just the way we see it expressed.

[Zioneer]

Back in the 2007-2012 period it was often difficult to find an American political YouTube video that wasn't spammed with RON PAUL comments. But a lot of internet libertarians from that era, such as Stefan whatshisname, now advocate border controls, cultural preservation etc. Furthermore, YouTube videos are now spammed with DONALD TRUMP comments, despite the Libertarian Party polling at record numbers and looking set to easily break its all-time record for a presidential election.

Perhaps it's all down to a general anti-establishment thing, but still.

Oh crap, so THAT'S why my anarchist dad (anarcho-capitalist, and can't comprehend the idea of anarcho-socialism, as an FYI to our socialists) is suddenly a border control-loving, Muslim-fearing, cultural heritage "protecting" nut. He's a Stefan Molynuex cultist, so I imagine he's going with Stefan Molynuex's rant of the day. Explains so much if Stefan's gone all alt-right.

An an-cap dad that went alt-right? Weird he can't comprehend the anarcho-socialist side because they've been around longer as a group.  I'm not in that boat: I think the TSA is a failure but temporarily at least is a concentration of scrutiny on our borders (no silly wall) while we back off being Team America World Police and let the world cool off on our interventions.

He doesn't understand the idea of socialism being voluntary, so the idea of anarcho-socialism is incomprehensible to him. He doesn't recognize the early anarchists as being anarchists. But yeah, he's been a avid cultist of Stefan Molyneux's brainwashing crap, so he seems to be shifting positions with Molyneux. Also enjoys Lew Rockwell's writings.

[Frozen Sky Ever Why]

When you think about it the Alex Jones "Illuminati" conspiracy stuff is really just the Nazi Jewish conspiracy but removing the racial aspect.

[Leinad]

To some extent yes, but annoying Gary Johnson fans still exist.

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[HisGrace]

I've seen this with people I know and in general. People who used to be libertarians supporting Trump and talking about getting rid of "degeneracy". He also has the "crazy guy who wants to be off the grid" vote this time. Dark times.

[DavidB.]

Many of the Dutch libertarians I know (even an-caps) have now become alt-right quasi-fascists. Not an improvement.

[Small L]

I think in a lot of ways that's exactly what happened. It's very disappointing, but not particularly surprising.

[World politics is up Schmitt creek]

Back in the 2007-2012 period it was often difficult to find an American political YouTube video that wasn't spammed with RON PAUL comments. But a lot of internet libertarians from that era, such as Stefan whatshisname, now advocate border controls, cultural preservation etc. Furthermore, YouTube videos are now spammed with DONALD TRUMP comments, despite the Libertarian Party polling at record numbers and looking set to easily break its all-time record for a presidential election.

Perhaps it's all down to a general anti-establishment thing, but still.

Many libertarians backed Ron Paul but much fewer back Donald Trump.  Conservatives (especially of the alt-right) are the Trumpers.  I don't/won't support Trump but libertarians and the right come together to fight on the ground of "cultural libertarianism" vs PC/SJW culture of the far left.  (Bernie is/was not a part of this mostly).

You're assuming these people have genuine commitment to an ideology.

[All Along The Watchtower]

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ron_Paul_newsletters

[ElectionsGuy]

The people that have jumped ship from enthusiastically backing Ron Paul to Bernie Sanders to then backing Donald Trump, or just one of the above, don't have a commitment to an ideology. A lot of these folks are disaffected, some of them may be conspiracy theorist crazies that listen to Alex Jones, they're just united by anti-establishment anger.

Libertarianism on the internet hasn't morphed into Trumpism. These people were never libertarians to begin with, they may not even be conservatives. The just believe whatever dumb thing they hear in their corner of the internet.