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« on: July 27, 2016, 11:53:54 PM »

Role Reversal: The Dems Become the Security Party

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Read more: http://www.politico.com/magazine/story/2016/07/dnc-2016-security-party-214114#ixzz4FfyJndW1
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« Reply #1 on: July 27, 2016, 11:55:24 PM »

BUT THEY WONT SAY RADICAL ISLAM!!1!
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« Reply #2 on: July 27, 2016, 11:56:14 PM »

Maybe there will be a state realignment this cycle, but something tells me the GOP won't like it.
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« Reply #3 on: July 27, 2016, 11:57:58 PM »

inb4 someone says wanting a competent person driving foreign policy makes you a "neocon."
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« Reply #4 on: July 27, 2016, 11:59:06 PM »

If you were to tell me this in 2004, I wouldn't have believed you.

Politics is weird.....
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« Reply #5 on: July 28, 2016, 01:22:35 AM »

If you were to tell me this in 2004, I wouldn't have believed you.

Politics is weird.....

Yeah, and most people forget. I remember in 2013 when Obama was yelling about how we should topple mustached Mid East dictator and the Pubs screaming no. Complete reversal of 2003. The 2 party system is sh**t but muh lesser evil.
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« Reply #6 on: July 28, 2016, 01:28:39 AM »

Assuming that Turnip loses the election, I doubt that this "trend" will hold.
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« Reply #7 on: July 28, 2016, 01:32:51 AM »

If you were to tell me this in 2004, I wouldn't have believed you.

Politics is weird.....

Yeah, and most people forget. I remember in 2013 when Obama was yelling about how we should topple mustached Mid East dictator and the Pubs screaming no. Complete reversal of 2003. The 2 party system is sh**t but muh lesser evil.

That's because Obama was the one suggesting it, if it had been a Republican president they would have been on board and defended the decision.
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« Reply #8 on: July 28, 2016, 01:39:56 AM »
« Edited: July 28, 2016, 01:41:51 AM by RaphaelDLG »

This seems mostly irrelevant.  The Republican Party is still the law and order, fearmongering party that appeals to people with more fearful brains (no, really, scientists have proven that Republicans have much larger fear centers in their brains than democrats). 

And if you look at the difference between the two conventions, the Republican party is still trying to win elections by convincing the psychologically vulnerable that black people and ISIS will kill you and the Democrats are too weak/lily-livered/stupid to stop it from happening. 

I think millions of people will continue to not care what generals/the national security establishment says/how rational the Democratic foreign policy may or may not appear to be, and continue to be scared sh**tless by what people like Trump have to say. 

Such a rhetorical strategy works like a charm in elections (see Nixon, GWB), and I'm genuinely fearful that Republicans will win running on this strategy (pun intended).

https://braindecoder.com/post/politics-neuroscience-1282982492
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« Reply #9 on: July 28, 2016, 02:16:22 AM »

If you were to tell me this in 2004, I wouldn't have believed you.

Politics is weird.....

Yeah, and most people forget. I remember in 2013 when Obama was yelling about how we should topple mustached Mid East dictator and the Pubs screaming no. Complete reversal of 2003. The 2 party system is sh**t but muh lesser evil.

That's because Obama was the one suggesting it, if it had been a Republican president they would have been on board and defended the decision.

And if Bush had suggested it, the Dems would be yelling "blood for oil". Again, both parties are guilty of swapping positions just for the sake of being adverse.
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« Reply #10 on: July 28, 2016, 02:33:16 AM »

inb4 someone says wanting a competent person driving foreign policy makes you a "neocon."

As far as I can tell, H.A. Goodman is not a member of this forum, so you needn't worry.
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« Reply #11 on: July 28, 2016, 03:55:23 AM »

inb4 someone says wanting a competent person driving foreign policy makes you a "neocon."

It doesn't, but red-baiting does.
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« Reply #12 on: July 28, 2016, 06:43:25 AM »

The Obama foreign policy isn't that much different from that of Reagan-Bush I.

What Reagan got away with worked.

...I would have never expected that I would be to the right of the Republican nominee for President on foreign policy with a Republican Presidential nominee offering Hard-Right economics and pandering to the Religious Right on social issues. But here we are.

Bill Clinton wisely chose to say nothing derogatory about the foreign policy of the elder Bush and found no cause to shake things up. Barack Obama reverted to Reagan-Bush I-Clinton foreign policy after the disaster that was Bush II. Hillary Clinton owns for all practical purposes the Obama foreign policy.

...George McGovern on foreign policy, George Wallace on inter-ethnic relations,  and Barry Goldwater on economics. That's Donald Trump for you. 
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« Reply #13 on: July 28, 2016, 09:48:04 AM »

RIP Freedom.
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« Reply #14 on: July 28, 2016, 11:20:24 AM »

If you were to tell me this in 2004, I wouldn't have believed you.

Politics is weird.....

Yeah, and most people forget. I remember in 2013 when Obama was yelling about how we should topple mustached Mid East dictator and the Pubs screaming no. Complete reversal of 2003. The 2 party system is sh**t but muh lesser evil.

That's because Obama was the one suggesting it, if it had been a Republican president they would have been on board and defended the decision.

And if Bush had suggested it, the Dems would be yelling "blood for oil". Again, both parties are guilty of swapping positions just for the sake of being adverse.

True dat
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« Reply #15 on: July 28, 2016, 01:05:36 PM »

Democrats are also taking the mantra of patriotism and family values from Republicans:

http://www.vox.com/2016/7/28/12306780/democratic-convention-speeches-patriotism-rhetoric

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And the tweet that had me practically falling out of my chair laughing:

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THEY ARE TAKING OUR STUFF!

Seriously though, if Democrats succeed in this and begin pealing away college educated whites en masse (while losing some working class whites), we could be in for another realignment of states - or perhaps just accelerating an existing one. Maybe not as significant as 1988/1992, but I suppose it will depend how Democrats use this message and how voters react. Given the fast-growing bloc of college educated whites and decreasing number of working class whites, effects in Republicans favor might be somewhat muted. Their poor strategy of anchoring themselves to the only fast sinking demographic doesn't help their long-term electoral prospects at all.
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« Reply #16 on: July 28, 2016, 03:02:00 PM »

inb4 someone says wanting a competent person driving foreign policy makes you a "neocon."

As far as I can tell, H.A. Goodman is not a member of this forum, so you needn't worry.

Silly me, I forgot jfern left. Tongue
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« Reply #17 on: July 28, 2016, 03:24:50 PM »

I guess this means Virginia is safe D.
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« Reply #18 on: July 28, 2016, 03:54:53 PM »

LOL, parties don't just *become* what the previous party had been closer to being in a matter of years.  Period.
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« Reply #19 on: July 28, 2016, 03:57:10 PM »

LOL, parties don't just *become* what the previous party had been closer to being in a matter of years.  Period.

Tom, you no longer need to be in the party of pessimism, despair, and hatred. You can join our wonderful big tent. Didn't you hear Tim Kaine last night? We Democrats have a spot for Republicans who really miss the Party Of Lincoln. Smiley
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« Reply #20 on: July 28, 2016, 04:43:48 PM »

LOL, parties don't just *become* what the previous party had been closer to being in a matter of years.  Period.

Tom, you no longer need to be in the party of pessimism, despair, and hatred. You can join our wonderful big tent. Didn't you hear Tim Kaine last night? We Democrats have a spot for Republicans who really miss the Party Of Lincoln. Smiley

Bulls**t you have a spot for those Republicans. With all the pandering to the Bernie bros and BLM the Democrats are trending just as far left as Republicans are going far right. You can't have it both ways, there's no tent big enough for Bernie Sanders and RINO Tom.
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« Reply #21 on: July 28, 2016, 04:53:14 PM »

Maybe there will be a state realignment this cycle, but something tells me the GOP won't like it.

Erm, do you have evidence for this?
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« Reply #22 on: July 28, 2016, 06:54:09 PM »
« Edited: July 28, 2016, 06:56:30 PM by clash »

Maybe there will be a state realignment this cycle, but something tells me the GOP won't like it.

Erm, do you have evidence for this?

Trump has taken the deeply unpopular stance that we shouldn't antagonize Russia, therefore Georgia: Lean R-> Safe D
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« Reply #23 on: July 28, 2016, 08:41:07 PM »

LOL, parties don't just *become* what the previous party had been closer to being in a matter of years.  Period.

Tom, you no longer need to be in the party of pessimism, despair, and hatred. You can join our wonderful big tent. Didn't you hear Tim Kaine last night? We Democrats have a spot for Republicans who really miss the Party Of Lincoln. Smiley

Bulls**t you have a spot for those Republicans. With all the pandering to the Bernie bros and BLM the Democrats are trending just as far left as Republicans are going far right. You can't have it both ways, there's no tent big enough for Bernie Sanders and RINO Tom.

Why is RINO Tom a Republican when Indy Texas is ostensibly to the right of him on social and economic (PM) issues?
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« Reply #24 on: July 28, 2016, 09:00:19 PM »

LOL, parties don't just *become* what the previous party had been closer to being in a matter of years.  Period.

Tom, you no longer need to be in the party of pessimism, despair, and hatred. You can join our wonderful big tent. Didn't you hear Tim Kaine last night? We Democrats have a spot for Republicans who really miss the Party Of Lincoln. Smiley

Bulls**t you have a spot for those Republicans. With all the pandering to the Bernie bros and BLM the Democrats are trending just as far left as Republicans are going far right. You can't have it both ways, there's no tent big enough for Bernie Sanders and RINO Tom.

Why is RINO Tom a Republican when Indy Texas is ostensibly to the right of him on social and economic (PM) issues?

Because RINO Tom has an ancestral attachment to the party, believes the party is the best vehicle for advancing pro-business policies and thus chose to register as a Republican; Indy Texas has none of that/holds none of those beliefs.  It's really as simple as that, and most people don't get into such a fuss about this as you do, LOL.
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