Is Obama the greatest president since FDR?

[TDAS04]

Yes.

[RINO Tom]

No.

[RaphaelDLG]

The "at least" in the thread title is offending me into not answering this poll question/considering voting no.

[TDAS04]

The "at least" in the thread title is offending me into not answering this poll question/considering voting no.

Fine, I'll remove it. 

[RaphaelDLG]

The "at least" in the thread title is offending me into not answering this poll question/considering voting no.

Fine, I'll remove it. 

Thank you.  I have a shrine to FDR in my closet.  I have also been known to, on occasion, ride around in a wheelchair and wear a monocle while chomping on a cigar.

[OSR stands with Israel]

Lol no

Truman , IKE , JFK , Nixon , Reagan , HW , bill were better

[RaphaelDLG]

I voted no because of Truman.  I think LBJ, JFK, Eisenhower deserve some consideration, though I (maybe anachronistically) put Obama higher.

[evergreenarbor]

Yes, although Truman or JFK almost wins that title.

[Santander]

lolno

[Phony Moderate]

- Oversaw great advances in gay rights
- Passed some reasonable healthcare reform
- Avoided austerity, for the most part
- Got us out of the EU

I'd have to say yes.

[Mr. Smith]

Nope

And below average too, but that's because the Overton Window changed and standard to hold Presidents lowered after poor Jimmeh lost re-election.

He's above average in the past 30 though.

[kyc0705]

Falls behind Truman, Eisenhower, and the non-Vietnam parts of LBJ, but still very much up there.

[Shameless Lefty Hack]

We haven't really had a 'good president' since Ike IMHO, so no.

That said, of the post-Ike presidents he's probably the one I like the most. Hasn't committed treason (Nixon, Reagan), disgraced the office of the Presidency (Nixon again, LBJ), or (completely) sold out working Americans (Reagan, Bubba).  He also tells funny jokes.

That said, not super psyched about his view of Exec power, individual liberties, and due process. But he's a post FDR President, so I repeat myself.

[Unconditional Surrender Truman]

Option 2.

[White Trash]

A fine President, better than most. But not as good as Eisenhower or Truman, or as much as I hate to admit it, Reagan.

[Kingpoleon]

Did you forget Truman, Eisenhower, JFK, Ford, Reagan, and H. W.?

[TDAS04]

Did you forget Truman, Eisenhower, JFK, Ford, Reagan, and H. W.?

Only Truman was close.

[RaphaelDLG]

We haven't really had a 'good president' since Ike IMHO, so no.

That said, of the post-Ike presidents he's probably the one I like the most. Hasn't committed treason (Nixon, Reagan), disgraced the office of the Presidency (Nixon again, LBJ), or (completely) sold out working Americans (Reagan, Bubba).  He also tells funny jokes.

That said, not super psyched about his view of Exec power, individual liberties, and due process. But he's a post FDR President, so I repeat myself.

This all sounds about right.

[nicholas.slaydon]

This has to be a joke. Obama isn't even fit to polish the boots of FDR, let alone be the greatest president since. Eisenhower, LBJ, Truman and to some extent Nixon were all better than Obama.

[Maxwell]

This has to be a joke. Obama isn't even fit to polish the boots of FDR, let alone be the greatest president since. Eisenhower, LBJ, Truman and to some extent Nixon were all better than Obama.

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bruh u srs

I can understand finding Nixon a fascinating figure in American history. I can't understand ranking him as a good President.

[nicholas.slaydon]

This has to be a joke. Obama isn't even fit to polish the boots of FDR, let alone be the greatest president since. Eisenhower, LBJ, Truman and to some extent Nixon were all better than Obama.

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bruh u srs

I can understand finding Nixon a fascinating figure in American history. I can't understand ranking him as a good President.

Nixon ended the war in Vietnam, he opened relations with China and deescalated the Cold War, he ended the draft, he got us to the moon, he got the Anti-Ballistic Missile Treaty with the Soviet Union and he enforced desegregation in the south.

All Obama has done is re-inflate the US economy, got us involved militarily in more countries the G.W. Bush, failed to reduce  the national debt, bailed out wall street while adding no new enforceable legislation, let criminal bankers walk free, let soldiers who illegally tortured people go without trial and prosecution, continued nation building in Iraq and Afghanistan, started the drone program, failed to close Guantanamo Bay, expanded NSA spying etc.

[Mr. Smith]

This has to be a joke. Obama isn't even fit to polish the boots of FDR, let alone be the greatest president since. Eisenhower, LBJ, Truman and to some extent Nixon were all better than Obama.

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bruh u srs

I can understand finding Nixon a fascinating figure in American history. I can't understand ranking him as a good President.

Nixon ended the war in Vietnam, he opened relations with China and deescalated the Cold War, he ended the draft, he got us to the moon, he got the Anti-Ballistic Missile Treaty with the Soviet Union and he enforced desegregation in the south.

All Obama has done is re-inflate the US economy, got us involved militarily in more countries the G.W. Bush, failed to reduce  the national debt, bailed out wall street while adding no new enforceable legislation, let criminal bankers walk free, let soldiers who illegally tortured people go without trial and prosecution, continued nation building in Iraq and Afghanistan, started the drone program, failed to close Guantanamo Bay, expanded NSA spying etc.

That's still nothing on purposefully and unnecessarily escalating Vietnam first with carpet-bombing on the side, beginning deregulation, using the IRS to target opponents, treason, trying to nominate segregationists to the Supreme Court, 1972 "dirty tricks".

Not even gonna bother with the obvious one.

[Shameless Lefty Hack]

This has to be a joke. Obama isn't even fit to polish the boots of FDR, let alone be the greatest president since. Eisenhower, LBJ, Truman and to some extent Nixon were all better than Obama.

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bruh u srs

I can understand finding Nixon a fascinating figure in American history. I can't understand ranking him as a good President.

Nixon ended the war in Vietnam, he opened relations with China and deescalated the Cold War, he ended the draft, he got us to the moon, he got the Anti-Ballistic Missile Treaty with the Soviet Union and he enforced desegregation in the south.

All Obama has done is re-inflate the US economy, got us involved militarily in more countries the G.W. Bush, failed to reduce  the national debt, bailed out wall street while adding no new enforceable legislation, let criminal bankers walk free, let soldiers who illegally tortured people go without trial and prosecution, continued nation building in Iraq and Afghanistan, started the drone program, failed to close Guantanamo Bay, expanded NSA spying etc.

That's still nothing on purposefully and unnecessarily escalating Vietnam first with carpet-bombing on the side, beginning deregulation, using the IRS to target opponents, treason, trying to nominate segregationists to the Supreme Court, 1972 "dirty tricks".

Not even gonna bother with the obvious one.

Also you can place a lot of the blame for the destabilization of the Pahlavi Dynasty on Nixon and Kissinger having an entirely too trusting relationship with the Shah. They essentially cut him a blank check on weapons purchases (which had been CLOSELY controlled in the Ike, JFK, and Johnson admins) and allowed him to pursue oil price increases that destabilized the region.

[The world will shine with light in our nightmare]

- Got us out of the EU

How?

[nicholas.slaydon]

This has to be a joke. Obama isn't even fit to polish the boots of FDR, let alone be the greatest president since. Eisenhower, LBJ, Truman and to some extent Nixon were all better than Obama.

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bruh u srs

I can understand finding Nixon a fascinating figure in American history. I can't understand ranking him as a good President.

Nixon ended the war in Vietnam, he opened relations with China and deescalated the Cold War, he ended the draft, he got us to the moon, he got the Anti-Ballistic Missile Treaty with the Soviet Union and he enforced desegregation in the south.

All Obama has done is re-inflate the US economy, got us involved militarily in more countries the G.W. Bush, failed to reduce  the national debt, bailed out wall street while adding no new enforceable legislation, let criminal bankers walk free, let soldiers who illegally tortured people go without trial and prosecution, continued nation building in Iraq and Afghanistan, started the drone program, failed to close Guantanamo Bay, expanded NSA spying etc.

That's still nothing on purposefully and unnecessarily escalating Vietnam first with carpet-bombing on the side, beginning deregulation, using the IRS to target opponents, treason, trying to nominate segregationists to the Supreme Court, 1972 "dirty tricks".

Not even gonna bother with the obvious one.

Also you can place a lot of the blame for the destabilization of the Pahlavi Dynasty on Nixon and Kissinger having an entirely too trusting relationship with the Shah. They essentially cut him a blank check on weapons purchases (which had been CLOSELY controlled in the Ike, JFK, and Johnson admins) and allowed him to pursue oil price increases that destabilized the region.

You are correct, but we are comparing Nixon to Obama not Nixon to Ike, JFK and Johnson. And Obama has been to trusting with many dangerous nations when it comes to weapons deals, a prime example is Saudi Arabia, a nation which literally funds Al-Qaeda.