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Erich Maria Remarque
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« Reply #50 on: September 16, 2016, 04:16:05 PM »

I'm basically saying that Gallup is the best leading indicator of all the polls that follow (national and state)
Evidence? Roll Eyes
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« Reply #51 on: September 16, 2016, 04:20:50 PM »

Look at the Gallup favorables graph and transpose it onto either the RCP average or Pollster and you'll see the leading indicator from Gallup
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« Reply #52 on: September 16, 2016, 04:24:27 PM »

Look at the Gallup favorables graph and transpose it onto either the RCP average or Pollster and you'll see the leading indicator from Gallup
Lol, of course, they are correlated, but you said it is the best indicator. Look at LA Times and 538/RCP average, and you'll see it is a good indicator as well. All the polls are correlated — surprice, surprice! But all the polls have noice as well.
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« Reply #53 on: September 16, 2016, 04:28:28 PM »

Look at the Gallup favorables graph and transpose it onto either the RCP average or Pollster and you'll see the leading indicator from Gallup
Lol, of course, they are correlated, but you said it is the best indicator. Look at LA Times and 538/RCP average, and you'll see it is a good indicator as well. All the polls are correlated — surprice, surprice! But all the polls have noice as well.
So a trend over 2/3 days which point towards Clinton? While Reuters (junky as it is on its own) corroborates? That's noise? ok then whatever you say
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« Reply #54 on: September 16, 2016, 04:31:48 PM »

Look at the Gallup favorables graph and transpose it onto either the RCP average or Pollster and you'll see the leading indicator from Gallup
Lol, of course, they are correlated, but you said it is the best indicator. Look at LA Times and 538/RCP average, and you'll see it is a good indicator as well. All the polls are correlated — surprice, surprice! But all the polls have noice as well.

LA Times pollsters admitted it had a Republican bias, and they use the same pre-selected sub-sample, which as others have pointed out, isn't necessarily demographically representative of the electorate.
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« Reply #55 on: September 16, 2016, 04:34:59 PM »

today Clinton is at 40% favorability for the first time since August, while Trump, after a couple of days in 35 and up, is back down to 34% favorable.
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« Reply #56 on: September 16, 2016, 04:35:04 PM »

Look at the Gallup favorables graph and transpose it onto either the RCP average or Pollster and you'll see the leading indicator from Gallup
Lol, of course, they are correlated, but you said it is the best indicator. Look at LA Times and 538/RCP average, and you'll see it is a good indicator as well. All the polls are correlated — surprice, surprice! But all the polls have noice as well.
So a trend over 2/3 days which point towards Clinton? While Reuters (junky as it is on its own) corroborates? That's noise? ok then whatever you say
Not me, Nate Wink
It might be noise.
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« Reply #57 on: September 16, 2016, 04:35:47 PM »

I'm basically saying that Gallup is the best leading indicator of all the polls that follow (national and state)

Well the did so well in 2012 Roll Eyes
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« Reply #58 on: September 16, 2016, 04:36:25 PM »

Also, Gallup's sample sizes are 5 times that.
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« Reply #59 on: September 16, 2016, 04:36:42 PM »

Look at the Gallup favorables graph and transpose it onto either the RCP average or Pollster and you'll see the leading indicator from Gallup
Lol, of course, they are correlated, but you said it is the best indicator. Look at LA Times and 538/RCP average, and you'll see it is a good indicator as well. All the polls are correlated — surprice, surprice! But all the polls have noice as well.

LA Times pollsters admitted it had a Republican bias, and they use the same pre-selected sub-sample, which as others have pointed out, isn't necessarily demographically representative of the electorate.
I will say it slowly. Treeeeeends. We are talking about treeeeeends. Gallup treeeeeends vs LA Times treeeeends.
Just check who is doing better vs average on RCP/Upshot/538 etc.
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« Reply #60 on: September 16, 2016, 04:37:12 PM »

Gallup was pretty bad in 2012 and I assume they're pretty bad this year.

BUT MUH DATA POINTS
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« Reply #61 on: September 16, 2016, 04:37:51 PM »

Also, Gallup's sample sizes are 5 times that.
Didn't know that. There is nothing about sample size on their page.
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« Reply #62 on: September 16, 2016, 04:38:25 PM »

Lol, I agree Wink
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« Reply #63 on: September 16, 2016, 04:38:59 PM »

Also, Gallup's sample sizes are 5 times that.
Didn't know that. There is nothing about sample size on their page.
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« Reply #64 on: September 16, 2016, 04:41:05 PM »

Looks like getting sick might have actually helped Clinton's favorables.
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« Reply #65 on: September 16, 2016, 04:43:34 PM »

Looks like getting sick might have actually helped Clinton's favorables.

Counterintuitively, but so far the limited evidence may suggest that...
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« Reply #66 on: September 16, 2016, 04:44:49 PM »

Also, Gallup's sample sizes are 5 times that.
Didn't know that. There is nothing about sample size on their page.
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I see, but the margin of error is still pretty big anyway. That's why one should look at average over few polls. If the trend is real, it will be revealed by all the polls eventually Smiley
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« Reply #67 on: September 16, 2016, 04:47:28 PM »

Looks like getting sick might have actually helped Clinton's favorables.

Counterintuitively, but so far the limited evidence may suggest that...
Lol, no. Even if trend is real, there is no evidence at all that it was her illness.

As I said in some other thread. I'm more happy about slow, but steady growth, then large bump caused by news. Slow growth usually sticks, while news go away. We need one-two week of polling before we know for sure.
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« Reply #68 on: September 26, 2016, 10:03:22 AM »

Somewhat surprisingly considering the latest polls, Clinton has opened up her biggest lead in quite a while in Gallup favorability numbers.  Sample period is 9/19-25:

Clinton 41/55 (-14)
Trump 32/63 (-31)

Clinton has been slowly gaining and Trump slowly declining over the last several days. 

http://www.gallup.com/poll/189299/presidential-election-2016-key-indicators.aspx?g_source=ELECTION_2016&g_medium=topic&g_campaign=tiles#pcf-image
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« Reply #69 on: September 26, 2016, 06:22:24 PM »

Somewhat surprisingly considering the latest polls, Clinton has opened up her biggest lead in quite a while in Gallup favorability numbers.  Sample period is 9/19-25:

Clinton 41/55 (-14)
Trump 32/63 (-31)

Clinton has been slowly gaining and Trump slowly declining over the last several days. 

http://www.gallup.com/poll/189299/presidential-election-2016-key-indicators.aspx?g_source=ELECTION_2016&g_medium=topic&g_campaign=tiles#pcf-image

Hopefully this lasts past the debate.
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« Reply #70 on: October 04, 2016, 11:42:23 AM »
« Edited: October 04, 2016, 11:47:46 AM by GeorgiaModerate »

Current sample (Sep 27-Oct 3) is:

Trump 33/63 (-30)
Clinton 42/54 (-12)

The oldest sample on their page (Sep 3-10) is Trump 35/5060 (-25), Clinton 38/57 (-19).  The net change since then is Trump -5, Clinton +7.
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« Reply #71 on: October 04, 2016, 11:45:43 AM »

Current sample (Sep 27-Oct 3) is:

Trump 33/63 (-30)
Clinton 42/54 (-12)

The oldest sample on their page (Sep 3-10) is Trump 35/50 (-25), Clinton 38/57 (-19).  The net change since then is Trump -5, Clinton +7.

Those numbers would give Clinton a 7-8 point national win
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« Reply #72 on: October 04, 2016, 12:26:01 PM »

Gallup was pretty bad in 2012 and I assume they're pretty bad this year.

BUT MUH DATA POINTS

Right, Trump will win anyways, notwithstanding polling results.
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« Reply #73 on: October 04, 2016, 12:34:32 PM »

Gallup was pretty bad in 2012 and I assume they're pretty bad this year.

BUT MUH DATA POINTS

Right, Trump will win anyways, notwithstanding polling results.

These are just favorability numbers.  Gallup doesn't poll the Presidential race anymore.
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« Reply #74 on: October 04, 2016, 02:42:38 PM »

https://twitter.com/PollsAndVotes/status/783383784360022016
The Marquette pollster did a nice graph of this.



Within their parties, Clinton up, Trump down.

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