Another "religious liberty" wedding cake conundrum

[Kingpoleon]

Um, no. A photographer should not be forced to take pictures at a kids' birthday party if he doesn't like children. A Jew should not have to bake a cake for a white supremacist.

I'm perfectly fine with people protesting businesses or advertising discrimination. Ideally that's what would happen.

(Also, my final argument is this: as a gay person, do I really want to eat food made by someone forced to bake it for profit?)

[Kingpoleon]

Um, no. A photographer should not be forced to take pictures at a kids' birthday party if he doesn't like children.

That's being hired, that's different

This was your only point I understood.

So, hiring someone to photograph something is different than hiring someone to bake something?

[Kingpoleon]

So, hiring someone to photograph something is different than hiring someone to bake something?

Purchasing a commodity =/= hiring someone for a service.

(not that discrimination should be given free rein in the latter case either, but there's a bit more nuance there)

When one is buying a cake, you are both purchasing the commodity of the cake and the service of making the cake.

When one is buying photographs, you are both purchasing the commodity of the cake and the service of taking the photographs.

They're not completely similar, but at least to me there's not much nuance there.

TL;DR: I would rather be discriminated against than have someone do something for me he doesn't want to do.

[Kingpoleon]

TL;DR: I would rather be discriminated against than have someone do something for me he doesn't want to do.

Stated by somebody who likely doesn't have to worry about either.

I didn't realize people don't discriminate against multiracial gay people.

[Kingpoleon]

I get that. I get why people disagree on this. What I don't get is why they these arguments keep devolving into minutiae and technicalities such as the hypothetical in this thread when, at the end of the day, it's a simple either/or question. Either you believe religion gives you a right to discriminate, or you don't. There's nothing to say or consider beyond that.

There are many social issues that deserve a careful and nuanced consideration, but I really don't see how this one could.

I'd say it comes down to whether or not discrimination or forcing someone to make something they don't want to is worse. Sure, there are two or three more nuanced parts to it, but it really boils down to this: is discrimination or forced work worse?