BLM upset because cop didn't let crazy man stab him

[Adam Griffin]

If this was the only time BLM cops did something like this you'd have a point.  But it happens a lot.  The argument that "it's a big organization with sh**tty or nonexistent leadership with a bunch of random loud moths viligantes regularly embarrassing them but the general purpose and overall goals of the group is a net good for society" is a much better angle than the one you seem to be taking.

[True Federalist (진정한 연방 주의자)]

I'm not sanguine about the officer going in with his gun drawn, but under the situation described if he had to enter, having his gun drawn makes sense. The question is, did he need to enter, but that brief article has insufficient info to say for certain, tho it looks like he did.

The knife guy had just left a Costco (or something) and the security tried to stop him for reasons that are unclear.  Knife guy put knife to his throat (this is all on video) and security gaurd backed off and the guy left the store.  Security guy calls cops.  The cops pull up in their car with the knife guy walking past them they start to get out as knife guy approaches, the driver is lunged at by knife guy, driver shoots him.

link to video

Like most of these, I don't know if the guy deserved to die, but I know what would have made him NOT dead.

You left out the part about the officer already having his gun out as he was exiting the vehicle. Having watched the video, it's clear to me, albeit with the clarity of hindsight, that the officer was too close to the knife man when he exited the vehicle. There was space to begin the engagement at a distance that would have allowed everyone more time to react, especially for the knife man to realize he wasn't going to win that fight and do the sensible thing.

So the only fault I find on the officer's part is poor tactics, which may have been due to an ethos in that department that over emphasized the need to take charge of the situation.

[Lyin' Steve]

I'm not sanguine about the officer going in with his gun drawn, but under the situation described if he had to enter, having his gun drawn makes sense. The question is, did he need to enter, but that brief article has insufficient info to say for certain, tho it looks like he did.

The knife guy had just left a Costco (or something) and the security tried to stop him for reasons that are unclear.  Knife guy put knife to his throat (this is all on video) and security gaurd backed off and the guy left the store.  Security guy calls cops.  The cops pull up in their car with the knife guy walking past them they start to get out as knife guy approaches, the driver is lunged at by knife guy, driver shoots him.

link to video

Like most of these, I don't know if the guy deserved to die, but I know what would have made him NOT dead.

You left out the part about the officer already having his gun out as he was exiting the vehicle. Having watched the video, it's clear to me, albeit with the clarity of hindsight, that the officer was too close to the knife man when he exited the vehicle. There was space to begin the engagement at a distance that would have allowed everyone more time to react, especially for the knife man to realize he wasn't going to win that fight and do the sensible thing.

So the only fault I find on the officer's part is poor tactics, which may have been due to an ethos in that department that over emphasized the need to take charge of the situation.

WTF??  It's the officer's fault a crazy man tried to stab him because he didn't give enough time for the man to "realize he wasn't going to win that fight"?

No you idiot, it's the man with the knife's fault because he's the one doing the stabbing.

[Mr. Reactionary]

of course the cop in this instance had a right to self defense. that doesn't let you people get away with making objectively terrible claims like "durrrr BLM wants cops to be killed" or "hurrrr systemic racism isn't a problem and blah blah blah I'm an offensive moron".

What do you mean "you people"? Racist!

[Gustaf]

of course the cop in this instance had a right to self defense. that doesn't let you people get away with making objectively terrible claims like "durrrr BLM wants cops to be killed" or "hurrrr systemic racism isn't a problem and blah blah blah I'm an offensive moron".

What do you mean "you people"? Racist!

You're doing your cutesy "covering my racism with poor attempts at satire" pretty badly.

[Mr. Reactionary]

of course the cop in this instance had a right to self defense. that doesn't let you people get away with making objectively terrible claims like "durrrr BLM wants cops to be killed" or "hurrrr systemic racism isn't a problem and blah blah blah I'm an offensive moron".

What do you mean "you people"? Racist!

You're doing your cutesy "covering my racism with poor attempts at satire" pretty badly.

Wouldn't I have to have been racist in the first place to do that? Lampooning racially divisive SJW dogma is not racist. I have only been "racist" if you believe the nonsensical idea that not doing whatever the left says is therefore support of the status quo which is a super duper evil heterosexist white supremacist patriarchy system, including the constitution, the courts and justice system, capitalism, and an individualistic view on rights. These things are undeniably compatible with a race neutral system and supporting them =/= supporting the police lynching black people.

I'm no fan of cops. Believe it or not I don't even think cops should go around murdering uncooperative but otherwise non-threatening black citizens like you seem to be insinuating. 60% of deaths caused by the cops are not black though. I'm not saying that the difference between % of the population and % of deaths for black people  doesn't matter, or that race can never be a factor in some killings. But clearly more than half of police killings do not happen because the victim is black. It's really hard to take some of these anti-police violence activists seriously, when instead of focusing on the circumstances of a police killing and using the most egregious examples to win support, they instead just look at the race of victim and ignore everything else. Sometimes the person who was shot is not sympathetic. Trying to argue otherwise solely on the weight of SJW dogma ("It wasn't Trayvon Martin and Michael Browns fault they attacked people. Its the systems fault because straight white cis-males wrote laws requiring guilt beyond a reasonable doubt") is bogus.

Thank you for providing me an opportunity to rant about this. I'm becoming increasingly annoyed at how racialist some of the lefties are becoming. Apparently its a micro-aggression to tell others that race is fake (which it is) because it diminishes the important cultural identity some minorities might have related to their heritage. Meanwhile, its perfectly OK to diminish these important cultural identities by reducing them all into "peoples of colour", since Samoan fishermen, Arab housewives, Bolivian coca farmers, Seal,  Marco Rubio, and North Korean military officers all totally share a for real common identity. The totally shared experience of not being one of those people. Those people are responsible for all of society's problems you know.

[True Federalist (진정한 연방 주의자)]

I'm not sanguine about the officer going in with his gun drawn, but under the situation described if he had to enter, having his gun drawn makes sense. The question is, did he need to enter, but that brief article has insufficient info to say for certain, tho it looks like he did.

The knife guy had just left a Costco (or something) and the security tried to stop him for reasons that are unclear.  Knife guy put knife to his throat (this is all on video) and security gaurd backed off and the guy left the store.  Security guy calls cops.  The cops pull up in their car with the knife guy walking past them they start to get out as knife guy approaches, the driver is lunged at by knife guy, driver shoots him.

link to video

Like most of these, I don't know if the guy deserved to die, but I know what would have made him NOT dead.

You left out the part about the officer already having his gun out as he was exiting the vehicle. Having watched the video, it's clear to me, albeit with the clarity of hindsight, that the officer was too close to the knife man when he exited the vehicle. There was space to begin the engagement at a distance that would have allowed everyone more time to react, especially for the knife man to realize he wasn't going to win that fight and do the sensible thing.

So the only fault I find on the officer's part is poor tactics, which may have been due to an ethos in that department that over emphasized the need to take charge of the situation.

WTF??  It's the officer's fault a crazy man tried to stab him because he didn't give enough time for the man to "realize he wasn't going to win that fight"?

No you idiot, it's the man with the knife's fault because he's the one doing the stabbing.

Being a good police officer means trying to keep everybody safe, even the perpetrator if possible. The situation shown in the video does not appear to require the officer charge in close with his patrol car when he got to the scene to keep others safe. That the guy might be an idiot and charge him with his knife is something the officer should have kept in mind, yet the officer's tactics clearly showed either a lack of such consideration or a lack of caring if that happened. Unlike BLM, I think it was likely the former rather than the latter reason.

Taking control of a situation does not always require immediate resolution of the situation.  As I said, in hindsight, it's easy to see what he should have done.  At the time it happened, it probably wasn't, especially if the officer's training didn't cover when a patient response to a situation is preferable to a quick response.  Being a police officer is a hard job and I recognize all too often they have to do it without sufficient training, equipment, or compensation.  But precisely because it is a hard job, they need to be held to a high standard.

[Bacon King]

Wouldn't I have to have been racist in the first place to do that? Lampooning racially divisive SJW dogma is not racist. I have only been "racist" if you believe the nonsensical idea that not doing whatever the left says is therefore support of the status quo which is a super duper evil heterosexist white supremacist patriarchy system, including the constitution, the courts and justice system, capitalism, and an individualistic view on rights. These things are undeniably compatible with a race neutral system and supporting them =/= supporting the police lynching black people.

I'm no fan of cops. Believe it or not I don't even think cops should go around murdering uncooperative but otherwise non-threatening black citizens like you seem to be insinuating. 60% of deaths caused by the cops are not black though. I'm not saying that the difference between % of the population and % of deaths for black people  doesn't matter, or that race can never be a factor in some killings. But clearly more than half of police killings do not happen because the victim is black. It's really hard to take some of these anti-police violence activists seriously, when instead of focusing on the circumstances of a police killing and using the most egregious examples to win support, they instead just look at the race of victim and ignore everything else. Sometimes the person who was shot is not sympathetic. Trying to argue otherwise solely on the weight of SJW dogma ("It wasn't Trayvon Martin and Michael Browns fault they attacked people. Its the systems fault because straight white cis-males wrote laws requiring guilt beyond a reasonable doubt") is bogus.

Thank you for providing me an opportunity to rant about this. I'm becoming increasingly annoyed at how racialist some of the lefties are becoming. Apparently its a micro-aggression to tell others that race is fake (which it is) because it diminishes the important cultural identity some minorities might have related to their heritage. Meanwhile, its perfectly OK to diminish these important cultural identities by reducing them all into "peoples of colour", since Samoan fishermen, Arab housewives, Bolivian coca farmers, Seal,  Marco Rubio, and North Korean military officers all totally share a for real common identity. The totally shared experience of not being one of those people. Those people are responsible for all of society's problems you know.

I would like to personally thank you for so clearly and convincingly demonstrating your unwavering ignorance of the topic at hand and your inability to consider alternative points of view. Had you not done so I would have most likely wasted several hours in a futile attempt to highlight every single incorrect assumption and false statement you have made.

Thanks

[Badger]

It seems to mean you think that this is the only time a cop has killed somebody this year for a valid reason.  Of course it can't mean that, perhaps I just read it wrong.  It happens.

Like you seem to think that disagreeing with BLM here means we don't care when cops kill for no reason.  Perhaps you're just reading us wrong?  It happens.

In fairness, Deado, you are the one who called the 10 year old with a toy gun who got shot in Cleveland "Darwinism in action".

That said, totally legit use of leathal force here.