Nixon vs Hillary

[Goldwater]

Nixon would probably be a moderate Democrat today

No.

Well, still an improvement from "Nixon was more liberal than Obama" meme.

The two aren't mutually exclusive, since Obama is actually a moderate Republican.

Nixon is not more liberal than Obama. But he was a lot more liberal than today's Republicans.

Not really. Nixon is basically Trump before Trump was Trump.

[Thunderbird is the word]

Both paranoid and power mad but I'd go with Hillary.

[HisGrace]

Nixon would probably be a moderate Democrat today

No.

Let's review-
Pro-Choice
Pro Gun-Control (he actually wanted to "abolish" the second amendment saying "I don't see why anyone should be able to own a revolver in his house)
Strongly pro-Affirmative Action
Created the EPA
Moderate to liberal on immigration
Created the AMT
Supported an individual mandate for health insurance, federalization of Medicaid, and a "public option" for health insurance
Raised the minimum wage
Nixon Shock and price controls

The only things that would be conventionally Republican/conservative about him today are his somewhat hardline on crime/drugs (but a lot of Democrats are like that these days) and his hawkish/anti-Communist foreign policy (but again, not that different from a lot of Democrats these days). Even on foreign policy, compare the overwhelmingly negative response to the Iran nuclear deal from Republicans to Nixon's diplomacy with China and the Soviets.

He's not more liberal than Obama and maybe Clinton is a touch to the left of him, but there really aren't any "Nixonian" Republicans left in significant offices except maybe Susan Collins.

[MASHED POTATOES. VOTE!]

Let's review-
Pro-Choice

I wouldn't really describe Nixon as "pro-choice". All he did was to say, in private mind you, that it's "sometimes necessary" in situations like child being of a mixed race (which is quite an awful outlook).

[MASHED POTATOES. VOTE!]

Also, when we're talking about economy, Nixon may indeed be closer to something like a British "post-war consensus" (that is until Thatcherite takeover over Tory party), but that doesn't make him "liberal". It wasn't uncommon for mainstream conservatives in the 50s, 60s and 70s to be more "interventionist" than their ideological descendants.

[HisGrace]

It wasn't uncommon for mainstream conservatives in the 50s, 60s and 70s to be more "interventionist" than their ideological descendants.

That's the point, though. The political spectrum has shifted since then so people who were then regarded as conservative would have policies that would be considered moderate/center-left today.

And a lot of the things I listed weren't status quo "post war consensus" stuff where it was simply a case of him not dismantling already existing social programs (a la Eisenhower) but new initiatives he supported.

[OSR stands with Israel]

Nixon ranks 6th in post ww2 presidents

1. Truman
2. Ike
3. Reagan
4. Bill Clinton
5. HW Bush
6. Nixon(without watergate he would be tied for 4th)


Hillary would worst other then carter or tied for 2nd worst with W Bush

[Mr. Smith]

You're asking for a choice between Frank Underwood (Centrist with only one care in the world) or a left-wing Francis Urquhart (Lightly ideologically convicted, but still not above being ruthless)

Now if Nixon were up against an Ideological Convicted Centrist Urquhart or Reagan (who pretty much IS Urquhart, except coming off as an idiot with a soothing voice rather than a subtle manipulator), Nixon would be the answer... an opportunistic Centrist will once in a while allow the Government to do what it needs to do.

However, since Hillary is a left-winger to some extent, this flips the dynamic. In this case the Opportunist Centrist would be more likely to go away from government regulation.

Nixon knew when to quit, so he gets my vote.

Not following his "last press conference" promise in 1962 says otherwise.

[RINO Tom]

It's kind of funny how much Morm Dem hates Reagan, LOL.

Also, Nixon would not be a Democrat today or at any point in history.  That's ridiculous.

[IceSpear]

lol at all the trolls voting Nixon.

[OSR stands with Israel]

lol at all the trolls voting Nixon.

I'm not a troll

[IceSpear]

I find it hilarious that the Nixon voters are presumably a coalition of Republicans who constantly rant about how Hillary (who has never resigned in disgrace and been pardoned) is corrupt and "Nixon so socialist!" True Leftists who constantly rant about how Hillary (who has never resigned in disgrace and been pardoned) is corrupt.

Oh, I almost forgot the edgy libertarians who constantly rant about how Hillary (who has never resigned in disgrace and been pardoned) is corrupt.

[Mr. Smith]

You're asking for a choice between Frank Underwood (Centrist with only one care in the world) or a left-wing Francis Urquhart (Lightly ideologically convicted, but still not above being ruthless)

Now if Nixon were up against an Ideological Convicted Centrist Urquhart or Reagan (who pretty much IS Urquhart, except coming off as an idiot with a soothing voice rather than a subtle manipulator), Nixon would be the answer... an opportunistic Centrist will once in a while allow the Government to do what it needs to do.

However, since Hillary is a left-winger to some extent, this flips the dynamic. In this case the Opportunist Centrist would be more likely to go away from government regulation.

Nixon knew when to quit, so he gets my vote.

Not following his "last press conference" promise in 1962 says otherwise.

He resigned the Presidency rather than go through the full process of impeachment and therefore maintained respect for the office of the Presidency.

Oh please, the full process would've probably meant prison without any hope of pardon.

And once again, that doesn't negate how he decided to go against Pat Brown after losing to JFK, or how after that he ran in '68 when pretty much anyone not named William Jennings Bryan would've given up after the loses.

Also, it was literally in his resignation speech about how it "goes against" every bone in his body to give in....even with approval ratings only topped by Dubya.

How you managed to construe this as "he knew when to quit" while implying Hillary doesn't because "muh decided to run again even with a few partisans being haters over carelessness regarding cyber-security and losing to Obama in '08"...that's beyond me.

By the same logic, Al Gore should've quit after '88, "St." Ronnie should've never come back after '76,  Humphrey never should've even bothered after JFK whooped him in '60 and LBJ was in the pits.

Therefore the argument holds no water at all.

When literally all sides of the aisle are out for blood against her [and no #BernieOrBust don't count]...that'll be different.

[OSR stands with Israel]

I find it hilarious that the Nixon voters are presumably a coalition of Republicans who constantly rant about how Hillary (who has never resigned in disgrace and been pardoned) is corrupt and "Nixon so socialist!" True Leftists who constantly rant about how Hillary (who has never resigned in disgrace and been pardoned) is corrupt.

Oh, I almost forgot the edgy libertarians who constantly rant about how Hillary (who has never resigned in disgrace and been pardoned) is corrupt.

LBJ was more corrupt then Nixon

[Spark]

A crook or a crooked career criminal. Hm that's a tough choice but I have to go with Nixon even though I'm not fond of him, I despise Hillary

[Rules for me, but not for thee]

They are pretty much the same person, politically. Nixon and Grandma Nixon. So flip a coin.