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« on: August 13, 2016, 05:18:01 AM »

What if Angela Merkel were an American, of which party would she be a member of?

I think she would be moderate Democrat. She belongs to the more left/centrist wing of the CDU; and the CDU is already to the left of the GOP.
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« Reply #1 on: August 13, 2016, 06:10:50 AM »

Let's stop with these threads, shall we?
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« Reply #2 on: August 13, 2016, 10:53:13 AM »

A Republican somewhere between Condoleeza Rice, Mark Kirk, and Ron Unz/Walter Jones.
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« Reply #3 on: August 13, 2016, 12:49:27 PM »

a Jeb Bush-ite Republican
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« Reply #4 on: August 13, 2016, 12:58:53 PM »

Definitely a moderate to left-wing Democrat, what kind of Republican do you think would allow one million refugee's into this country or try to get rid of nuclear energy (I disagree with both those things myself).
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« Reply #5 on: August 13, 2016, 01:01:22 PM »

Socialist Party
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« Reply #6 on: August 13, 2016, 01:12:22 PM »

Communist Party
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« Reply #7 on: August 13, 2016, 01:18:36 PM »

Ultra Communist Party
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« Reply #8 on: August 13, 2016, 01:57:41 PM »

Whichever was more popular.

Definitely a moderate to left-wing Democrat, what kind of Republican do you think would allow one million refugee's into this country or try to get rid of nuclear energy (I disagree with both those things myself).

Err, you may have a skewed idea of Frau Merkel from Anglo media. Here's a better picture of her and her approach to policymaking:

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« Reply #9 on: August 13, 2016, 01:58:59 PM »

A Democrat, but in the same way Evan Bayh is one. CrabCake summed up him very well too.
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« Reply #10 on: August 13, 2016, 05:43:03 PM »

Moderate Hero Democrat
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« Reply #11 on: August 13, 2016, 06:54:25 PM »

The Bernie Sanders wing of the Democratic Party.
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« Reply #12 on: August 13, 2016, 07:15:33 PM »

I think she would have switched parties sometime between 1992 and 2008 from Republican to Democrat. She seems like she would fit in well with the Arlen Specter/Colin Powell wing of the 90s Republicans.
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« Reply #13 on: August 13, 2016, 07:18:47 PM »

The Bernie Sanders wing of the Democratic Party.

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« Reply #14 on: August 13, 2016, 09:47:59 PM »

The Leading Light Communist Organization or the Revolutionary Communist Party, USA.
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« Reply #15 on: August 14, 2016, 05:28:18 AM »


oh ffs
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« Reply #16 on: August 14, 2016, 10:11:25 PM »
« Edited: August 14, 2016, 10:14:04 PM by L'exquisite Douleur »

The funny thing is I can't even think of any policies of Merkel that are equivalent to Sanders' proposals, even disregarding the whole issues of political inertia favoring the status quo before someone comes in office and difficulty of an apples to apples comparison, things that lead to the idiocy of claiming things like "The NHS goes further than Sanders wants for healthcare so David Cameron or Theresa May are to the left of Sanders", which is kind of like saying that George W. Bush was more left wing than FDR. But for Merkel, even based on that flimsy logic it doesn't work.

For example the minimum wage in Germany is 1,473 Euros a month. That comes out to about 340 a week, so if one works a 40 hour week about 8.5/hour. That converts to a bit less than $9.50/hour. Hmmm, a far cry from $15/hour.

And the German healthcare system is still based around private insurance companies and is basically just a boosted version of Obamacare. It's nothing like Sanders' proposal and single-payer.

And talking about policies towards banks...we don't even need to go there.
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« Reply #17 on: August 16, 2016, 01:12:57 AM »

The funny thing is I can't even think of any policies of Merkel that are equivalent to Sanders' proposals, even disregarding the whole issues of political inertia favoring the status quo before someone comes in office and difficulty of an apples to apples comparison, things that lead to the idiocy of claiming things like "The NHS goes further than Sanders wants for healthcare so David Cameron or Theresa May are to the left of Sanders", which is kind of like saying that George W. Bush was more left wing than FDR. But for Merkel, even based on that flimsy logic it doesn't work.

For example the minimum wage in Germany is 1,473 Euros a month. That comes out to about 340 a week, so if one works a 40 hour week about 8.5/hour. That converts to a bit less than $9.50/hour. Hmmm, a far cry from $15/hour.

And the German healthcare system is still based around private insurance companies and is basically just a boosted version of Obamacare. It's nothing like Sanders' proposal and single-payer.

And talking about policies towards banks...we don't even need to go there.

Firstly, you are basing your argument on the assumption that the living wage in Germany is the same as the living wage in the US. If I am not mistaken the living wage is lower in Germany compared to the US. Like in the UK where the minimum wage is only a few pounds less than the living wage, if I am not mistaken a similar system is in place in Germany.

Secondly, every German citizen has a right to free universal healthcare unlike the system we have here in the US where we have millions of people uninsured or underinsured. Furthermore in the US we have 45,000 people die every year because of lack of healthcare in Germany that number is next to zero.
And as to how the system is based on private insurance companies is true, but France has private insurance companies as well, so now are you going to say that Hollande is to the right of Sanders? Just because Sanders has proposed full government run healthcare doesn't mean that his position is to the left of Merkel or Hollande, it is just a different way of running the exact same program. Just like how Ed Milliband was to quite comfortably to the right of Hollande but he supported less privatization of the British NHS, that doesn't make him to the left of Hollande, he just held a belief in a different way of running the same system of single payer healthcare. And unlike the US most Germans are covered by regional Sickness Funds not private insurance, 88% by last count, so only those with very specific medical needs opt into private insurance. As well as the fact that the German private healthcare market is very closely regulated unlike Obamacare which is just another system to hand monopolies to corporations.
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« Reply #18 on: August 16, 2016, 05:41:20 AM »

Err, hollande is tothe right of Sanders. Not particular hard to br the left of flanby.
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« Reply #19 on: August 16, 2016, 06:15:32 AM »

I'm leaning republican. Merkel opposes gay marriage, opposed a national minimum wage until 2011 and is a supporter of austerity. But since government spending is a lot higher in Europe supporting spending cuts in Europe is a bit different from supporting spending cuts in the US, so it's really difficult to compare European politicians/parties with American parties.
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« Reply #20 on: August 16, 2016, 09:11:59 AM »

Err, hollande is tothe right of Sanders. Not particular hard to br the left of flanby.

Hollande to the right of Sanders? Are you joking? Hollande wanted to raise the income tax on everybody who earned more than 1,000,000 euros to 75% and on top of that wanted to add a tax on wealth. Bernie's top tax rate was 52% for people earning more than $10,000,000. Bernie is far to the right of many (if not all) European Social Democratic politicians.
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« Reply #21 on: August 16, 2016, 03:13:05 PM »
« Edited: August 16, 2016, 03:21:34 PM by ClintonianCake »

err, a look at their history. Flanby is, and always has been, a milquetoast party apparatchik who adopted the most superficial and constitutionally flimsy of populist reforms to ensure everybody didn't fall asleep on the way to the polls or literally believe his name was "Not Sarkozy". There was no serious attempt to grapple with the nature of the French Republic (a deeply conservative state moulded by its founder, unless one is so lost in absurd American distinctions of "small government = conservative that  you believe King Ramses was a hardcore lefty).

Sanders ran an infuriatingly vague campaign, and indeed I became frustrated with the man because he lacked intellectual curiosity or depth. But he was a man that on some level, seemed to oppose The Way Things Are - in foreign policy, economically and politically. It is unfortunate that he chose not to engage with his opinions in a deeper sense than the (understandable) gut instinct of opposing "wrongness". That puts him to the left (or at least on a more radical position) than someone who has always projected the airs of a ambitious mid-level-manager.
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« Reply #22 on: August 16, 2016, 04:08:11 PM »

(a deeply conservative state moulded by its founder, unless one is so lost in absurd American distinctions of "small government = conservative that  you believe King Ramses was a hardcore lefty)

Of course! If De Gaulle had been American, he'd obviously too left-wing for the CPUSA as it was during the time he was alive. Duh.
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« Reply #23 on: August 17, 2016, 01:37:06 PM »

I'm leaning republican. Merkel opposes gay marriage, opposed a national minimum wage until 2011 and is a supporter of austerity. But since government spending is a lot higher in Europe supporting spending cuts in Europe is a bit different from supporting spending cuts in the US, so it's really difficult to compare European politicians/parties with American parties.

Well, I think she privately favors gay marriage. She couldn't answer why she's against it during a campaign rally in 2013. She's also a liberal on immigration, let alone being pro-choice and support for green energy. And, she's in favor of all the government programs like health care. If Merkel were president, I'm sure she would veto any bill to repeal Obamacare.
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« Reply #24 on: August 17, 2016, 05:32:00 PM »

Probably somewhere between a Blue Dog Democrat and a centrist Republican (is there a fancy name for that? Red Cat?), perhaps tilted towards the latter.
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