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« on: August 13, 2016, 09:35:41 AM »

Why did we stop inventing gods?

The ancients were quite good at inventing new gods. The bible shows that the Jews invented many gods before deciding that god could not be defined and settled for “I am“, as the greatest expression of god. “I am” as spoken as a man.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=KJkNs512Lsk

Jews, in their oral tradition, gave man the last word in what god and his policies were to be. They accepted that the man they chose as head Rabbi of their Divine council had the power to overrule their written tradition. Man’s words, not an imaginary god, had the final say on policy. Man was supreme and not one of the imaginary gods.

Christianity then changed much of the morals and policies of their newly invented god, Yahweh, and also transferred the power of god to a man. Jesus. Jesus was now placed at the power seat at the right hand of his newly invented god and placed Yahweh in the right hemisphere of the brain, as shown in the art of the day as depicted by Michelangelo in his creation painting in the Vatican.

Islam then invented Allah, and so far, rightfully named him the last god to be invented. Foolish but true to date.

I see that search for a god as a search for the best laws and rules to live life by. After all, we cannot follow an imaginary god and can only follow the laws and rules that those imaginary gods has spoken, recognizing of course, that only a person can speak those laws and rules and that it was really a wise person who was uttering those words.

Gnostic Christians always saw those invented gods, specifically Yahweh, Jesus and Allah, as immoral and not worthy of us and that is why they named those gods as immoral and vile demiurges. This is not to say that those demiurges did not have some good policies but only says that a better god could and should be invented. Gnostic Christianity lost the god wars and was decimated the moment Christianity gained political power which they used to end freedom of religion.

Are immoral demiurges like Yahweh, Jesus and Allah, the best that mankind can come up with?

Why do you think we stopped inventing gods and settled for demonstrably immoral ones?

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« Reply #1 on: August 13, 2016, 09:50:46 AM »

Christ, I'd rather read Eliade's etiologies of religion than this nonsense.
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« Reply #2 on: August 13, 2016, 09:50:58 AM »

The short answer is that gods were originally created (I'm obviously referring to polytheistic religion here) to explain things that mankind had no understanding of.  Very simple things.  Rain, snow, natural disasters, disease, famine, victories (or losses) in battle, plant growth, et cetera.  Yahweh emerged in Jewish tradition as the one true God (or at least, the only God that may be recognized).  "Allah" is not a new god because Islam is a monotheistic faith; "Allah" is the Arabic word for "God."  By definition, monotheistic faiths cannot invent new gods, only deliver new revelations or prophets.
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« Reply #3 on: August 13, 2016, 09:57:22 AM »

If you think that all religion is invented, there's plenty of evidence man is still being inventive. Ever hear of Scientology or Heaven's Gate?
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« Reply #4 on: August 13, 2016, 10:00:06 AM »

If you think that all religion is invented, there's plenty of evidence man is still being inventive. Ever hear of Scientology or Heaven's Gate?

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« Reply #5 on: August 13, 2016, 11:50:48 AM »

The short answer is that gods were originally created (I'm obviously referring to polytheistic religion here) to explain things that mankind had no understanding of.  Very simple things.  Rain, snow, natural disasters, disease, famine, victories (or losses) in battle, plant growth, et cetera.  Yahweh emerged in Jewish tradition as the one true God (or at least, the only God that may be recognized).  "Allah" is not a new god because Islam is a monotheistic faith; "Allah" is the Arabic word for "God."  By definition, monotheistic faiths cannot invent new gods, only deliver new revelations or prophets.

I agree.

A new prophet, since a person, would just be inventing a new God. That is what Mohammad did.

I still think it strange that Muslims settled for his demonstrably immoral creed and that the world is not acknowledging that we need a better and more moral prophet.

Mohammad was basically rejected by the people of his day until, like Christianity, he grew his religion by force of arms.

Christianity and Islam have both settled for immoral gods of war as both grew their religions by war instead of good deeds.

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« Reply #6 on: August 13, 2016, 11:55:11 AM »

If you think that all religion is invented, there's plenty of evidence man is still being inventive. Ever hear of Scientology or Heaven's Gate?

I gave but you will notice that other than Muslims with their more political Sharia law, none of the other religion are foolish enough to try to get their religious laws be the law of the land.

Most people are preferring statism as their law makers and religion.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=N6uVV2Dcqt0&feature=player_embedded

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« Reply #7 on: August 13, 2016, 11:59:56 AM »

The short answer is that gods were originally created (I'm obviously referring to polytheistic religion here) to explain things that mankind had no understanding of.  Very simple things.  Rain, snow, natural disasters, disease, famine, victories (or losses) in battle, plant growth, et cetera.  Yahweh emerged in Jewish tradition as the one true God (or at least, the only God that may be recognized).  "Allah" is not a new god because Islam is a monotheistic faith; "Allah" is the Arabic word for "God."  By definition, monotheistic faiths cannot invent new gods, only deliver new revelations or prophets.

I agree.

A new prophet, since a person, would just be inventing a new God. That is what Mohammad did.

No, he didn't "invent" a new god.  Perhaps consider doing some basic research before you comment on a religion.
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« Reply #8 on: August 13, 2016, 12:32:16 PM »
« Edited: August 13, 2016, 12:34:36 PM by Violet Socialist »

If you think that all religion is invented, there's plenty of evidence man is still being inventive. Ever hear of Scientology or Heaven's Gate?

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Bad example: practically everything about Mormonism (even - especially - the weird stuff) has precedence in tradition; Joseph Smith was just the first to make an organized religion out of it.

Actually, I'd be interested in hearing what our resident Mormons make of that fact, given that certain important figures in the LDS tradition did not shy away from the connections between their faith and, say, Freemasonry.
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« Reply #9 on: August 13, 2016, 12:43:58 PM »

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« Reply #10 on: August 13, 2016, 12:54:26 PM »

If you think that all religion is invented, there's plenty of evidence man is still being inventive. Ever hear of Scientology or Heaven's Gate?

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Bad example: practically everything about Mormonism (even - especially - the weird stuff) has precedence in tradition; Joseph Smith was just the first to make an organized religion out of it.

Actually, I'd be interested in hearing what our resident Mormons make of that fact, given that certain important figures in the LDS tradition did not shy away from the connections between their faith and, say, Freemasonry.

Not... really.  Maybe traditions, yes, but their theology is so distinct from mainstream Christianity that many Christians (myself included) hesitate in even calling them Christian.  Smith plays a key role in their theology as the last prophet.
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« Reply #11 on: August 13, 2016, 01:05:51 PM »

If you think that all religion is invented, there's plenty of evidence man is still being inventive. Ever hear of Scientology or Heaven's Gate?

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Bad example: practically everything about Mormonism (even - especially - the weird stuff) has precedence in tradition; Joseph Smith was just the first to make an organized religion out of it.

Actually, I'd be interested in hearing what our resident Mormons make of that fact, given that certain important figures in the LDS tradition did not shy away from the connections between their faith and, say, Freemasonry.

Not... really.  Maybe traditions, yes, but their theology is so distinct from mainstream Christianity that many Christians (myself included) hesitate in even calling them Christian.  Smith plays a key role in their theology as the last prophet.

Ah, but I never said that Mormon theology had precedence in mainstream Christianity Smiley
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« Reply #12 on: August 13, 2016, 02:31:29 PM »

Sikhism, Baha'i, etc. Even Wicca. And there's some new religions formed recently in Asia.
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« Reply #13 on: August 13, 2016, 02:52:30 PM »

The internet generation has exalted materialist "science" as God, so we've haven't yet.
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« Reply #14 on: August 13, 2016, 07:43:17 PM »

We never really "invented" Gods in the first place, so it's hard to stop something you aren't doing. And there are plenty examples of new religions. Rastafari, Asatru, Kopimism, and the Church of Satan are a few.
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« Reply #15 on: August 13, 2016, 08:46:42 PM »

The internet generation has exalted materialist "science" as God, so we've haven't yet.
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« Reply #16 on: August 14, 2016, 02:16:14 AM »
« Edited: August 14, 2016, 02:17:48 AM by I did not see L.A. »

The internet generation has exalted materialist "science" as God, so we've haven't yet.

That's not really true, with the exception of a few weirdos like the folks who believe in future-AI-God. Even if we loosen the definition of God to the point of making it mean "that on which society has absolute trust" (and I'm a bit surprised that Christians would be willing to do that), modern society is a lot more distrustful and critical of science today than it used to be at any point since the mid 19th century.

Anyway, this thread is dumb and I don't know why people bother engaging it.
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« Reply #17 on: August 17, 2016, 01:01:10 PM »

The short answer is that gods were originally created (I'm obviously referring to polytheistic religion here) to explain things that mankind had no understanding of.  Very simple things.  Rain, snow, natural disasters, disease, famine, victories (or losses) in battle, plant growth, et cetera.  Yahweh emerged in Jewish tradition as the one true God (or at least, the only God that may be recognized).  "Allah" is not a new god because Islam is a monotheistic faith; "Allah" is the Arabic word for "God."  By definition, monotheistic faiths cannot invent new gods, only deliver new revelations or prophets.

I agree.

A new prophet, since a person, would just be inventing a new God. That is what Mohammad did.

No, he didn't "invent" a new god.  Perhaps consider doing some basic research before you comment on a religion.

A great argument against what I put. That really corrects. Not.

Name another god that gifts it's male adherents with 72 virgins after death if Allah is not a new god.

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« Reply #18 on: August 17, 2016, 01:04:36 PM »

Sikhism, Baha'i, etc. Even Wicca. And there's some new religions formed recently in Asia.

Hardly new. Not as new as money and statism.

At least the latter do not have supernatural gods.

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« Reply #19 on: August 17, 2016, 01:06:57 PM »

The internet generation has exalted materialist "science" as God, so we've haven't yet.

Science has been around a lot longer but I agree that the internet has made science more accessible to many. It is the greatest learning tool to date and will cause many theists to the non-affiliated side.

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« Reply #20 on: August 17, 2016, 01:08:29 PM »

We never really "invented" Gods in the first place, so it's hard to stop something you aren't doing. And there are plenty examples of new religions. Rastafari, Asatru, Kopimism, and the Church of Satan are a few.

If we/people did not invent the gods, who did?

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« Reply #21 on: August 17, 2016, 01:21:07 PM »

The short answer is that gods were originally created (I'm obviously referring to polytheistic religion here) to explain things that mankind had no understanding of.  Very simple things.  Rain, snow, natural disasters, disease, famine, victories (or losses) in battle, plant growth, et cetera.  Yahweh emerged in Jewish tradition as the one true God (or at least, the only God that may be recognized).  "Allah" is not a new god because Islam is a monotheistic faith; "Allah" is the Arabic word for "God."  By definition, monotheistic faiths cannot invent new gods, only deliver new revelations or prophets.

I agree.

A new prophet, since a person, would just be inventing a new God. That is what Mohammad did.

No, he didn't "invent" a new god.  Perhaps consider doing some basic research before you comment on a religion.

A great argument against what I put. That really corrects. Not.

Name another god that gifts it's male adherents with 72 virgins after death if Allah is not a new god.

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DL

Nobody even remotely serious about studying comparative religions would claim that this was enough to make a figure 'a new god', and there are a lot of ridiculous serious claims floating around in comparative religions.
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« Reply #22 on: August 17, 2016, 01:38:41 PM »

We never really "invented" Gods in the first place, so it's hard to stop something you aren't doing. And there are plenty examples of new religions. Rastafari, Asatru, Kopimism, and the Church of Satan are a few.

If we/people did not invent the gods, who did?

Before you reply ----

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Nobody invented "the gods". And that video was absolutely awful.
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« Reply #23 on: August 17, 2016, 08:13:55 PM »

We never stopped
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« Reply #24 on: August 20, 2016, 02:16:21 PM »

The internet generation has exalted materialist "science" as God, so we've haven't yet.

     If the internet generation exalted science as God, we'd be better off than we are. It seems more to the point to say that they have exalted their individual perspectives as God.
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