Mother and son in love in N.M. will go to jail to defend their relationship

[Blue3]

Look at the rest of that paragraph:

You know what I found even more icky than incest? Transgenderism. Do I think transgender people should be thrown into jail? No.

(and yes, I'm friends with and have worked alongside trans* people, and believe in unisex bathrooms too)

My point is, we shouldn't let personal "ickiness" feelings influence political and legal issues.

[Atlas Has Shrugged]

But there really is no reason to feel that "transgenderism" is "icky" personally. That is like saying "I support the civil rights act, but I don't want blacks moving into my neighborhood personally."

[The world will shine with light in our nightmare]

I find Blue3's opinion that transgender people are icky, in itself, "icky," but do I think he should be thrown in jail for expressing it?  No.

[Blue3]

But there really is no reason to feel that "transgenderism" is "icky" personally. That is like saying "I support the civil rights act, but I don't want blacks moving into my neighborhood personally."

No, it's more like the opposite of that. It would be like saying you personally don't want to hang out with black people, but you fully support the Civil Rights Act and integration and nondiscrimination and equality. I find something "icky"... and I'm fine with it.

I also find mustard gross. Am I trying to ban mustard? No. I just won't eat it for myself.


This whole post just demonstrates how you and others here don't seem to be truly listening. There is no reason to feel anything is "icky"... it's a feeling, an admitted inherent bias, not the result of a thought process. No one chooses what they find "icky."

(and for the record, I said I find transgenderism icky, not transgender people... as in the actual act of physical transformation)

[Atlas Has Shrugged]

But there really is no reason to feel that "transgenderism" is "icky" personally. That is like saying "I support the civil rights act, but I don't want blacks moving into my neighborhood personally."

No, it's more like the opposite of that. It would be like saying you personally don't want to hang out with black people, but you fully support the Civil Rights Act and integration and nondiscrimination and equality. I find something "icky"... and I'm fine with it.

I also find mustard gross. Am I trying to ban mustard? No. I just won't eat it for myself.


This whole post just demonstrates how you and others here don't seem to be truly listening. There is no reason to feel anything is "icky"... it's a feeling, an admitted inherent bias, not the result of a thought process. No one chooses what they find "icky."

Dude, in 2011, I had this weird "icky" feeling about hanging out with black people and I was rightfully lambasted for being a racist. Turns out that my "icky" feeling was actually just a nasty manifestation of years of internalized rage that I let loose on people who were no actual threat to me to be "edgy."

You don't have to be attracted to Trans-people or people outside of your race. You can't control that. But if you have a "natural icky" feeling towards a transgender person, chances are, it is not natural at all and that you are projecting your own bizarre fears/emotions/desires/anger on someone.

[Blue3]

Do you read?

I personally find transgenderism "icky", the physical transformation. Not people. And I don't let my personal "ickiness" bias my political views.

Just like I don't think my personal "ickiness" towards incest should automatically make it illegal either, going back to the thread topic.

I also feel the same way about transhumanism, with people who want to someday replace their body parts with mechanical parts, or nonhuman-animal parts, or genetically-designed artificial organic parts. That's something I'm undecided on politically.

[Antonio the Sixth]

Well this discussion keeps getting better and better, doesn't it?

[Negusa Nagast 🚀]

Zoroaster would be disappointed with you all.

[Since I'm the mad scientist proclaimed by myself]

Legal, but if there's a pregnancy it should be aborted. Regardless of how icky it is, it's not the business of the state to legislate sex acts between consenting adults.

[Since I'm the mad scientist proclaimed by myself]

The is horrible and anyone who says who am I to judge?, should be put in a mental institution.

Because it makes you feel icky. Once you ban the bearing of children in these kinds of relationships, there is no good reason to ban these kinds of relationships (if consentual).

[Young Conservative]

It should obviously be illegal!

[Okay, maybe Mike Johnson is a competent parliamentarian.]

If you feel the need to automatically abort any offspring conceived in a certain type of sexual relationship, that does not help your case that that kind of relationship should be legal. If you feel that it should be legal, that does not help your case that any offspring conceived should be automatically aborted.

Of course, ideally, in the real, non-Huxleyan world, abortion should never be a 'should', and should be (putting on a 'doesn't believe that it's morally wrong regardless' hat here) left up to the mother, in which case it's much more reasonable to invoke muh consenting adults, since you're no longer making normative proclamations about how these consenting adults should respond to consensual pregnancies from all the consensual sex they're having. I have to wonder for what other situations involving the possibility of muh birth defects omegascarlet (and dax00 earlier in the thread) think abortion is a 'must' or 'should', versus for which it should be merely optional.

[Since I'm the mad scientist proclaimed by myself]

Does this belong in the off topic board? It strikes me as more of an individual politics thing.

[Okay, maybe Mike Johnson is a competent parliamentarian.]

Does this belong in the off topic board. It strikes me as more of an individual politics thing.

Agreed.

[Simfan34]

You know what I found even more icky than incest? Transgenderism.

That's a... problematic opinion.

Well, regarding that, pretty much everything we've taken for granted about human physiology and psychology is problematic. And there's no point in pointing to brain scans, people support transgenderism on the basis of feelings rather than brain scans (which, also show abnormalities in the brains of people with other identity disorders, which, for some reason, we don't take as validating their identity!) and we all know it.

If you'd like to shut me up you can hit me with the club of "trans suicides", as is usually how these "discussions" end; I'll comply. Indeed, this isn't the time or place for this discussion at all.