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« on: August 15, 2016, 09:58:59 AM »

http://www.politico.com/story/2016/08/trump-immigrants-screening-questionnaire-227006

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Of course, the most important question will be: Do you like Donald Trump? Yes __ No __ Only certain people will be allowed in.
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« Reply #1 on: August 15, 2016, 10:04:30 AM »

So what you're saying is, a portion of Trump's constituency couldn't immigrate here if he was president?

Oh my god that's hilarious.
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« Reply #2 on: August 15, 2016, 10:26:05 AM »

The test will be given in a European language and will be possible repeat any number of times.

Both, on the discretion of the immigration agent. Australia style.
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« Reply #3 on: August 15, 2016, 10:53:42 AM »

I hope we can disqualify most of his voters by making them take the same test.
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« Reply #4 on: August 15, 2016, 10:59:12 AM »

And of course, all of the answers on the test will be honest.
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« Reply #5 on: August 15, 2016, 11:15:09 AM »

And of course, all of the answers on the test will be honest.

Nah, people would never lie. Just look at Trump!
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« Reply #6 on: August 15, 2016, 12:43:49 PM »

And of course, all of the answers on the test will be honest.

It does not matter what the answers are. It is all about who grades them.
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« Reply #7 on: August 15, 2016, 01:25:00 PM »

One of the questions will probably be "Do you think America is the most fantastic nation on Earth and better than all the other loser nations?"

And of course, all of the answers on the test will be honest.

It does not matter what the answers are. It is all about who grades them.

Who will grade them? Donald Trump's kids?
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« Reply #8 on: August 15, 2016, 01:31:46 PM »

Presumably if you say you support religious freedom, gender equality, and gays rights you fail.
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« Reply #9 on: August 15, 2016, 01:34:52 PM »

Great news. Smiley
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« Reply #10 on: August 15, 2016, 01:45:38 PM »

Presumably if you say you support religious freedom, gender equality, and gays rights you fail.
You presume wrong.

If this is targeting muslims, the correct answer would be yes to religious freedom (which the crazies are against), pro-gender equality (forced burkas and killing women that learn is not cool) and gay rights (they kill homosexuals for being homosexual in Islamic countries).

But don't let your ideology to get in the way of how the opposition actually thinks.
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« Reply #11 on: August 15, 2016, 01:55:25 PM »

Presumably if you say you support religious freedom, gender equality, and gays rights you fail.
You presume wrong.

If this is targeting muslims, the correct answer would be yes to religious freedom (which the crazies are against), pro-gender equality (forced burkas and killing women that learn is not cool) and gay rights (they kill homosexuals for being homosexual in Islamic countries).

But don't let your ideology to get in the way of how the opposition actually thinks.
Not to mention Sharia marriage and divorce laws that do not treat women with the dignity that they deserve.
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« Reply #12 on: August 15, 2016, 02:12:00 PM »

This is more than likely blatantly unconstitutional.
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« Reply #13 on: August 15, 2016, 02:14:34 PM »

This is more than likely blatantly unconstitutional.
It is blatantly constitutional under the Plenary Power Doctrine.
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« Reply #14 on: August 15, 2016, 02:18:02 PM »

So on the issue of trump's ideological test on gay rights ...
It is OK for many of his supporters, and ultra-conservatives, to be against the expansion of rights for the LGTB community, but not the immigrants ?
How is this an acceptable position ?
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« Reply #15 on: August 15, 2016, 02:24:09 PM »

http://www.politico.com/story/2016/08/trump-immigrants-screening-questionnaire-227006

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Of course, the most important question will be: Do you like Donald Trump? Yes __ No __ Only certain people will be allowed in.
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« Reply #16 on: August 15, 2016, 02:30:03 PM »

This is more than likely blatantly unconstitutional.
It is blatantly constitutional under the Plenary Power Doctrine.

It is certainly not going to be a problem as far as the immigrants are concerned: they have no standing in court here to begin with. But it may be not constitutionally possible to have an American citizen administer this. At the very least, if an immigration officer refuses to do this, he would have a pretty decent defense in court against being fired or otherwise punished for not following instructions.

https://scholar.google.com/scholar_case?case=6397227172571401074&q=related:ckuYMDiEx1gJ:scholar.google.com/&hl=en&as_sdt=2002
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« Reply #17 on: August 15, 2016, 02:50:12 PM »

We already ask idiosyncratic questions of immigrants that only America could ask, such as "are you now or have you ever been a member of a communist party?" and "have you ever committed genocide?" so what's another few more?
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« Reply #18 on: August 15, 2016, 02:58:58 PM »

The immigration process already asks all hosts of health and financial questions and often takes 5 to 10 years from beginning to end. They do ask some out there questions like if you are a communist, but this is outrageous and misguided.
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« Reply #19 on: August 15, 2016, 03:25:48 PM »

Cool I can add one more reason to not vote for Trump.
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« Reply #20 on: August 15, 2016, 04:14:32 PM »

So on the issue of trump's ideological test on gay rights ...
It is OK for many of his supporters, and ultra-conservatives, to be against the expansion of rights for the LGTB community, but not the immigrants ?
How is this an acceptable position ?

Because hating gay people sounds better when you say "It's what Jesus believes" as opposed to "Allah says murder the homos!"
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« Reply #21 on: August 15, 2016, 04:16:35 PM »

So on the issue of trump's ideological test on gay rights ...
It is OK for many of his supporters, and ultra-conservatives, to be against the expansion of rights for the LGTB community, but not the immigrants ?
How is this an acceptable position ?

Because hating gay people sounds better when you say "It's what Jesus believes" as opposed to "Allah says murder the homos!"
I don't see a significant number of Christians in America openly inciting killing homosexuals. Those who do should be (and are) prosecuted under the laws of the land.
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« Reply #22 on: August 15, 2016, 04:23:37 PM »

So on the issue of trump's ideological test on gay rights ...
It is OK for many of his supporters, and ultra-conservatives, to be against the expansion of rights for the LGTB community, but not the immigrants ?
How is this an acceptable position ?

Because hating gay people sounds better when you say "It's what Jesus believes" as opposed to "Allah says murder the homos!"

I don't see a significant number of Christians in America openly inciting killing homosexuals. Those who do should be (and are) prosecuted under the laws of the land.

Then the issue is not "gay rights," but more an issue of "the right to live."
Completely two different topics of discussion.
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« Reply #23 on: August 15, 2016, 04:35:46 PM »

How about an ideological test for Republican presidential candidates instead?
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« Reply #24 on: August 15, 2016, 04:36:53 PM »

How about an ideological test for Republican presidential candidates instead?
That's what primaries are for.
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