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« Reply #25 on: September 08, 2016, 07:47:08 AM »
« edited: September 08, 2016, 08:32:02 AM by MasterJedi »

Anyone else find it kind of amusing MasterJedi is sounding like me 9 years ago?

There is actually a liberal white middle class area in metro Milwaukee, including some of the suburbs. It's basically the area that sits north of downtown between the black area and the lake. But I think it's safe to say the sort of people who move there are significantly different from the people who move to WOW and this is the region that attracts the people who'd otherwise live in St. Louis Park or Richfield or Skokie.

It gets old when nobody is actually conservative and everything is done because they're cheap and hate the minorities and don't want them to come to their town/spend any money for social programs, except those that help themselves.

As for the other part I'm a big urban life booster, I have nothing against he actual suburbs, they're great too, but I follow development and like being around stuff that happens.

The suburb you're thinking of is Shorewood specifically and somewhat Brown Deer (most integrated burb in the area) and to a lesser extent Bayside and Whitefish Bay during Presidential years. Shorewood is liberal the others fluctuate but if you're black and have a nice car you're still likely to be stopped and asked what business you have there.

Biggest dog whistle in the area is for public transit. And again, sadly, it has to do with race. Light rail was opposed in the 90s because the minorities could use it to come to their towns. Milwaukee is building a streetcar and most of the opposition is from the burbs. Their reason is that it's wasted money and should be spent on the roads and more cops. Well it's federal money from the early 90s, new TIGER grant money and TIF money so it can't be used that way.

Somehow still terrified it'll bring low income people to their areas. The biggest cry was to spend it on the buses instead, and then you had the same people saying cut bus funding during the strike last summer. That leads into the fact that the WOW county conservatives don't have a problem bonding $800 million for road repair last summer and likely will have to do more next year but hey, they say it's the only thing people use and if they save 1 minute in traffic it's ok. Again, not actually fiscally conservative.
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« Reply #26 on: September 08, 2016, 07:52:10 AM »

What makes the Milwaukee metro unique is that, in the not so distant past, it had a thriving white working class culture founded upon trade unions and socialism but, in relatively short order, the progeny of this culture went from being staunch socialists to being rock-ribbed, ultra-conservative Republicans. Now, to my knowledge, Milwaukee wasn't much of a center of "heavy industry" and, as such, lacked a setting for the formation of strong industrial unions, which were (and remain) the foundation of left-liberalism in the US. Instead, Milwaukee was a center of lighter, more specialized industry, like brewing, which had a craft unionist tradition. Further, these industries were some of the first to be dramatically adversely affected by automation, offshoring and, in general, deinustrialization, much of which occurred quite early on.

Basically if I had to summarize my argument:
1. Culturally, the WOW counties are filled with the grandchildren and great-grandchildren of socialists and remain more downscale/working class than you might think. So why are these counties so Republican? The suburbs surrounding Gary or Cleveland might be more Republican than the core but they're ultimately still Democratic. Why is Milwaukee different?
2. As an attempt at answer, I'd argue that Milwaukee lacked cultural characteristics of Gary and Cleveland that made the Democratic Party so durable there. Namely, there was a lack of industrial unions and, something not considered in the post above, far fewer Catholics or "ethnic whites" in the Milwaukee metro area. The Catholic issue probably matters when one contrasts Cudahy with the WOW counties; Cudahy is quite Polish and still is relatively Democratic for a white town. WOW counties are pretty Protestant.
3. White collar workers in WOW counties are almost certainly either part of management linked to industrial production or part of the general cultural milieu. In otherwords, they're likely incredibly hostile to unions and any party aligned with union interests.

As far as the race factor goes, white flight is an interesting explanation but I don't think it's entirely persuasive. Most northern cities experienced white flight but there's a pretty wide variance in support for Democratic candidates based on factors of socioeconomic status. This is an obvious statement but it's bears repeating. The Northern half of the US does not exhibit the voting patterns of an Apartheid state, even if people are segregated like they live in an Apartheid state. A fallacy of this forum is the idea that white voters everywhere are very Republican. Not even close to being true, particularly in the Midwest.

Catholicism is huge in the Milwaukee area, it's Catholics and Lutherans but the Catholic church has a heavy presence and I believe out of all the denominations has the most followers in the area.
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« Reply #27 on: September 08, 2016, 08:42:45 AM »

According to ARDA they are about 30% Catholic, that makes them more Catholic than Wisconsin at large and way more than counties like Dane and Eau Claire. But of course, it's the Midwest, so we're talking about Germans and people like Paul Ryan who are so assimilated they don't see themselves as different in any way from WASPy mainstream society...and actually aren't.
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« Reply #28 on: September 09, 2016, 03:24:19 AM »

What makes the Milwaukee metro unique is that, in the not so distant past, it had a thriving white working class culture founded upon trade unions and socialism but, in relatively short order, the progeny of this culture went from being staunch socialists to being rock-ribbed, ultra-conservative Republicans. Now, to my knowledge, Milwaukee wasn't much of a center of "heavy industry" and, as such, lacked a setting for the formation of strong industrial unions, which were (and remain) the foundation of left-liberalism in the US. Instead, Milwaukee was a center of lighter, more specialized industry, like brewing, which had a craft unionist tradition. Further, these industries were some of the first to be dramatically adversely affected by automation, offshoring and, in general, deinustrialization, much of which occurred quite early on.

Basically if I had to summarize my argument:
1. Culturally, the WOW counties are filled with the grandchildren and great-grandchildren of socialists and remain more downscale/working class than you might think. So why are these counties so Republican? The suburbs surrounding Gary or Cleveland might be more Republican than the core but they're ultimately still Democratic. Why is Milwaukee different?
2. As an attempt at answer, I'd argue that Milwaukee lacked cultural characteristics of Gary and Cleveland that made the Democratic Party so durable there. Namely, there was a lack of industrial unions and, something not considered in the post above, far fewer Catholics or "ethnic whites" in the Milwaukee metro area. The Catholic issue probably matters when one contrasts Cudahy with the WOW counties; Cudahy is quite Polish and still is relatively Democratic for a white town. WOW counties are pretty Protestant.
3. White collar workers in WOW counties are almost certainly either part of management linked to industrial production or part of the general cultural milieu. In otherwords, they're likely incredibly hostile to unions and any party aligned with union interests.

As far as the race factor goes, white flight is an interesting explanation but I don't think it's entirely persuasive. Most northern cities experienced white flight but there's a pretty wide variance in support for Democratic candidates based on factors of socioeconomic status. This is an obvious statement but it's bears repeating. The Northern half of the US does not exhibit the voting patterns of an Apartheid state, even if people are segregated like they live in an Apartheid state. A fallacy of this forum is the idea that white voters everywhere are very Republican. Not even close to being true, particularly in the Midwest.

Catholicism is huge in the Milwaukee area, it's Catholics and Lutherans but the Catholic church has a heavy presence and I believe out of all the denominations has the most followers in the area.

Oh, I'm very aware of this. I'm saying that it's not nearly as Catholic as white people in the Gary metro area or the Detroit metro area etc.

68% of "adherents" in Macomb County are Catholic, for instance. This compares to 49% of "adherents" in Waukesha County. It's worth noting that Macomb County is 9% Black so this actually understates how Catholic it is.

I'd say that it's more useful to look at Ancestry statistics but Germans make this very difficult. Unfortunately though, BRTD is sort of right in the sense that Catholicism is a more of a proxy for "ethnic whites" and working class whites than it is an explanatory factor.
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« Reply #29 on: September 09, 2016, 12:27:38 PM »

Wisconsin in the Upper Midwest. The region that we've established where Catholicism doesn't serve as any type of ethnic marker or is separated from mainstream culture.

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http://www.cnn.com/election/2012/results/state/WI/president/#exit-polls
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« Reply #30 on: September 11, 2016, 04:42:56 AM »

Reading all of this, it sounds like your standard Southern metro (particularly Atlanta): stark partisan/racial geographic lines, dogwhistles taking the form of public transit, no persuadable voters, balkanization in both liberal and conservative areas, wealthier socons who are fiscally conservative primarily because of those "others" they don't want to fund with their local/state tax dollars, etc.
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« Reply #31 on: September 16, 2016, 12:30:21 AM »

In most Urban areas, the surrounding counties have traditionally been rock-ribbed suburban conservative communities. The expansion of Democratic voting habits as these collar communities become more diverse and start suffering the same urban problems as the big cities (crime, decaying infrastructure, etc.) has only been relatively recent (see Philly, Chicago). DFB is correct that heavy industrialization can contribute to that spread from the core city, in places like Gary and Pittsburgh, but again those are the exceptions.

For the example he gave of Cleveland, the surrounding counties aren't especially Democratic due to Cleveland. Summit has Akron all to itself. Lorain is the closest thing to an exception here. Though Lake has enough African-American spillover/immigration from eastern Cuyahoga to now make it a swing county (albeit still with a slight R tilt). Geagua and Medina remain solidly Republican (though not as much as in past decades).

In all, the WOW counties are more in line with other counties surrounding urban areas. Compare Cinci, Columbus, Atlanta, Louisville, and the same pattern emerges.
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« Reply #32 on: September 16, 2016, 07:54:19 PM »

Reading all of this, it sounds like your standard Southern metro (particularly Atlanta): stark partisan/racial geographic lines, dogwhistles taking the form of public transit, no persuadable voters, balkanization in both liberal and conservative areas, wealthier socons who are fiscally conservative primarily because of those "others" they don't want to fund with their local/state tax dollars, etc.

Yes everybody would love high taxes of it wasn't for blacks. 😂🙄🙄
I love how liberals think that nobody honestly disagrees with them.
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« Reply #33 on: September 16, 2016, 09:21:24 PM »

Reading all of this, it sounds like your standard Southern metro (particularly Atlanta): stark partisan/racial geographic lines, dogwhistles taking the form of public transit, no persuadable voters, balkanization in both liberal and conservative areas, wealthier socons who are fiscally conservative primarily because of those "others" they don't want to fund with their local/state tax dollars, etc.

Yes everybody would love high taxes of it wasn't for blacks. 😂🙄🙄
I love how liberals think that nobody honestly disagrees with them.

MasterJedi is essentially saying the same thing.
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« Reply #34 on: September 16, 2016, 10:15:07 PM »

Reading all of this, it sounds like your standard Southern metro (particularly Atlanta): stark partisan/racial geographic lines, dogwhistles taking the form of public transit, no persuadable voters, balkanization in both liberal and conservative areas, wealthier socons who are fiscally conservative primarily because of those "others" they don't want to fund with their local/state tax dollars, etc.

Yes everybody would love high taxes of it wasn't for blacks. 😂🙄🙄
I love how liberals think that nobody honestly disagrees with them.

MasterJedi is essentially saying the same thing.

Yes. And? doesnt make it any more true
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« Reply #35 on: September 17, 2016, 10:40:23 AM »

Reading all of this, it sounds like your standard Southern metro (particularly Atlanta): stark partisan/racial geographic lines, dogwhistles taking the form of public transit, no persuadable voters, balkanization in both liberal and conservative areas, wealthier socons who are fiscally conservative primarily because of those "others" they don't want to fund with their local/state tax dollars, etc.

Yes everybody would love high taxes of it wasn't for blacks. 😂🙄🙄
I love how liberals think that nobody honestly disagrees with them.

MasterJedi is essentially saying the same thing.

Yes. And? doesnt make it any more true

Most conservatives are generally ignorant with taxes, especially in WI. They don't want to pay any taxes at all but expect everything to be maintained to a perfect standard. Roads should be perfect, schools should be the best. But in the real world where they have to pay taxes they want nothing going to any minority communities.
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« Reply #36 on: September 17, 2016, 11:13:35 AM »

Reading all of this, it sounds like your standard Southern metro (particularly Atlanta): stark partisan/racial geographic lines, dogwhistles taking the form of public transit, no persuadable voters, balkanization in both liberal and conservative areas, wealthier socons who are fiscally conservative primarily because of those "others" they don't want to fund with their local/state tax dollars, etc.

Yes everybody would love high taxes of it wasn't for blacks. 😂🙄🙄
I love how liberals think that nobody honestly disagrees with them.

My province is 2% black and we still threw out a government over a tax hike in 2013.
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« Reply #37 on: September 28, 2016, 08:32:06 AM »

Reading all of this, it sounds like your standard Southern metro (particularly Atlanta): stark partisan/racial geographic lines, dogwhistles taking the form of public transit, no persuadable voters, balkanization in both liberal and conservative areas, wealthier socons who are fiscally conservative primarily because of those "others" they don't want to fund with their local/state tax dollars, etc.

Yes everybody would love high taxes of it wasn't for blacks. 😂🙄🙄
I love how liberals think that nobody honestly disagrees with them.

My province is 2% black and we still threw out a government over a tax hike in 2013.

Not surprising, we have the south side of Milwaukee (predominantly white) calling for a ton more spending on cops. A few alderman want a referendum for a 1% tax hike to pay for it and what do you know, all the people calling for it go "nevermind". Aka they want something else vital cut because they're cheap and not as scared of the black people as they let on.
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« Reply #38 on: September 28, 2016, 09:12:30 AM »

So this reminds me of that Simpsons episode where a bear escapes from the zoo once, the townspeople panic and demand more anti-bear policing, Springfield sets up a bunch of patrolling helicopters and police just to make sure no bears around despite Lisa's insistence this is pointless because this was a single isolated incident unlikely to happen ever again. And then Homer notices a $5/tax to pay for all this on his next check, he freaks out along with everyone else in Springfield, and Mayor Quimby in response blames illegal immigrants for the taxes being higher.

Sad thing is, that's actually a pretty accurate summary of Trumpism and most movement conservatism today.
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« Reply #39 on: September 28, 2016, 12:51:05 PM »

So this reminds me of that Simpsons episode where a bear escapes from the zoo once, the townspeople panic and demand more anti-bear policing, Springfield sets up a bunch of patrolling helicopters and police just to make sure no bears around despite Lisa's insistence this is pointless because this was a single isolated incident unlikely to happen ever again. And then Homer notices a $5/tax to pay for all this on his next check, he freaks out along with everyone else in Springfield, and Mayor Quimby in response blames illegal immigrants for the taxes being higher.

Sad thing is, that's actually a pretty accurate summary of Trumpism and most movement conservatism today.

That aspect of Trumpism is nothing new though and movement conservatism has been keen to take advantage of it for years. The simple fact of the matter is that there is no such thing as a pure movement conservative voter, just like there is no libertarian voter.

Who in their right mind would vote for an ideology that on the one hand promotes the stabilizing effect of family and faith only to advocate for wild west economics on and all its chaotic and destabilizing glory, on the other? This root inconsistency has caused the foundation to collapse, pulled down by the trade and immigration issues, something I predicted a decade ago.

This failure at comphrension and the resulting policy proposals as well as their negative impact on people in general (but especially in this case), white working class voters, is solely to blame for the rise of Trumpism and the nomination of Donald Trump in 2016.
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« Reply #40 on: December 16, 2016, 12:29:55 PM »

In 2016,

Clinton carried the city of Milwaukee: 188,687:45,422 (81%:19%, of two way vote)
She carried the remainder of the county: 100,134:80,676 (55%:45%)
Trump carried Waukesha County: 79,224:142,543 (36%:64%), Ozaukee (40%:60%), and Washington (29%:71%).

So it is simply a pattern of the city of Milwaukee being extremely leftwing, and the remainder of the county moderating that somewhat (the city had about 56% of the county vote).

Were Milwaukee more centrally located, rather than on the shoreline the metropolitan area would not be as bipolar.
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« Reply #41 on: December 17, 2016, 04:02:40 AM »

In 2016,

Clinton carried the city of Milwaukee: 188,687:45,422 (81%:19%, of two way vote)
She carried the remainder of the county: 100,134:80,676 (55%:45%)
Trump carried Waukesha County: 79,224:142,543 (36%:64%), Ozaukee (40%:60%), and Washington (29%:71%).

So it is simply a pattern of the city of Milwaukee being extremely leftwing, and the remainder of the county moderating that somewhat (the city had about 56% of the county vote).

Were Milwaukee more centrally located, rather than on the shoreline the metropolitan area would not be as bipolar.

But there are plenty of cities on a shoreline. Is Miami as polarized? Is San Diego? Is Boston?

Suburban Milwaukee has people who apparently accept the minority areas as a zoo with a non-human population and go along with politicians who would just as soon that such people disappear. For them, an extremist like Scott Walker is wonderful. He does not compromise.  If he gets 51% of the vote he has a mandate to treat minorities and liberal-leaning white people badly.

Donald Trump is like that. Scott Walker could well be the wave of the future in the America.
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« Reply #42 on: December 17, 2016, 09:27:07 AM »

In 2016,

Clinton carried the city of Milwaukee: 188,687:45,422 (81%:19%, of two way vote)
She carried the remainder of the county: 100,134:80,676 (55%:45%)
Trump carried Waukesha County: 79,224:142,543 (36%:64%), Ozaukee (40%:60%), and Washington (29%:71%).

So it is simply a pattern of the city of Milwaukee being extremely leftwing, and the remainder of the county moderating that somewhat (the city had about 56% of the county vote).

Were Milwaukee more centrally located, rather than on the shoreline the metropolitan area would not be as bipolar.
But there are plenty of cities on a shoreline. Is Miami as polarized? Is San Diego? Is Boston?
Why don't you create maps to demonstrate your claims?
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« Reply #43 on: December 17, 2016, 02:57:34 PM »

In 2016,

Clinton carried the city of Milwaukee: 188,687:45,422 (81%:19%, of two way vote)
She carried the remainder of the county: 100,134:80,676 (55%:45%)
Trump carried Waukesha County: 79,224:142,543 (36%:64%), Ozaukee (40%:60%), and Washington (29%:71%).

So it is simply a pattern of the city of Milwaukee being extremely leftwing, and the remainder of the county moderating that somewhat (the city had about 56% of the county vote).

Were Milwaukee more centrally located, rather than on the shoreline the metropolitan area would not be as bipolar.


I don't see how this follows at all.
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« Reply #44 on: December 17, 2016, 06:57:51 PM »

In 2016,

Clinton carried the city of Milwaukee: 188,687:45,422 (81%:19%, of two way vote)
She carried the remainder of the county: 100,134:80,676 (55%:45%)
Trump carried Waukesha County: 79,224:142,543 (36%:64%), Ozaukee (40%:60%), and Washington (29%:71%).

So it is simply a pattern of the city of Milwaukee being extremely leftwing, and the remainder of the county moderating that somewhat (the city had about 56% of the county vote).

Were Milwaukee more centrally located, rather than on the shoreline the metropolitan area would not be as bipolar.

But there are plenty of cities on a shoreline. Is Miami as polarized? Is San Diego? Is Boston?

Suburban Milwaukee has people who apparently accept the minority areas as a zoo with a non-human population and go along with politicians who would just as soon that such people disappear. For them, an extremist like Scott Walker is wonderful. He does not compromise.  If he gets 51% of the vote he has a mandate to treat minorities and liberal-leaning white people badly.

Donald Trump is like that. Scott Walker could well be the wave of the future in the America.
No Trump I expect to be more Moderate than Walker. Trump actually called Walker a failure as Governor during the Primaries. So Trump is not really a Walker fan but I'm pretty sure Walker voted for Trump in the General.
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« Reply #45 on: December 17, 2016, 08:52:51 PM »

In 2016,

Clinton carried the city of Milwaukee: 188,687:45,422 (81%:19%, of two way vote)
She carried the remainder of the county: 100,134:80,676 (55%:45%)
Trump carried Waukesha County: 79,224:142,543 (36%:64%), Ozaukee (40%:60%), and Washington (29%:71%).

So it is simply a pattern of the city of Milwaukee being extremely leftwing, and the remainder of the county moderating that somewhat (the city had about 56% of the county vote).

Were Milwaukee more centrally located, rather than on the shoreline the metropolitan area would not be as bipolar.


I don't see how this follows at all.
There are no suburbs to the east of Milwaukee.

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« Reply #46 on: December 20, 2016, 07:41:13 PM »

In 2016,

Clinton carried the city of Milwaukee: 188,687:45,422 (81%:19%, of two way vote)
She carried the remainder of the county: 100,134:80,676 (55%:45%)
Trump carried Waukesha County: 79,224:142,543 (36%:64%), Ozaukee (40%:60%), and Washington (29%:71%).

So it is simply a pattern of the city of Milwaukee being extremely leftwing, and the remainder of the county moderating that somewhat (the city had about 56% of the county vote).

Were Milwaukee more centrally located, rather than on the shoreline the metropolitan area would not be as bipolar.
But there are plenty of cities on a shoreline. Is Miami as polarized? Is San Diego? Is Boston?
Why don't you create maps to demonstrate your claims?

There is one liberal suburb and some others that are swingy and more moderate. The rest of the suburbs are full on conservative/Republican and that wouldn't change if it was more centrally located, just that the conservative areas would surround the city instead of being only on 3 sides.

The burbs are taught to hate the city by the local talk radio which is how the burbs get their news, they're taught to hate the minorities and city leaders and told that if only Republicans were in charge they could change it all but the city is evil and should be forced to die.
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« Reply #47 on: December 21, 2016, 04:32:17 AM »

In 2016,

Clinton carried the city of Milwaukee: 188,687:45,422 (81%:19%, of two way vote)
She carried the remainder of the county: 100,134:80,676 (55%:45%)
Trump carried Waukesha County: 79,224:142,543 (36%:64%), Ozaukee (40%:60%), and Washington (29%:71%).

So it is simply a pattern of the city of Milwaukee being extremely leftwing, and the remainder of the county moderating that somewhat (the city had about 56% of the county vote).

Were Milwaukee more centrally located, rather than on the shoreline the metropolitan area would not be as bipolar.
But there are plenty of cities on a shoreline. Is Miami as polarized? Is San Diego? Is Boston?
Why don't you create maps to demonstrate your claims?

There is one liberal suburb and some others that are swingy and more moderate. The rest of the suburbs are full on conservative/Republican and that wouldn't change if it was more centrally located, just that the conservative areas would surround the city instead of being only on 3 sides.
The point you are failing to comprehend is that the inner suburbs are forced to be west of Milwaukee, but are still in the county, and by the time you get to Waukesha you are in outer suburbs. Washington and Ozaukee are somewhat remote and don't have that many people. With font sizes proportional to population it would be more like:

WOW

Someone put the letters together, and then someone else re-arranged them, and a third said:

Like WOW man, that is so cool, like they don't understand someone as elite as me.
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« Reply #48 on: December 21, 2016, 04:56:29 PM »

In 2016,

Clinton carried the city of Milwaukee: 188,687:45,422 (81%:19%, of two way vote)
She carried the remainder of the county: 100,134:80,676 (55%:45%)
Trump carried Waukesha County: 79,224:142,543 (36%:64%), Ozaukee (40%:60%), and Washington (29%:71%).

So it is simply a pattern of the city of Milwaukee being extremely leftwing, and the remainder of the county moderating that somewhat (the city had about 56% of the county vote).

Were Milwaukee more centrally located, rather than on the shoreline the metropolitan area would not be as bipolar.
But there are plenty of cities on a shoreline. Is Miami as polarized? Is San Diego? Is Boston?
Why don't you create maps to demonstrate your claims?

There is one liberal suburb and some others that are swingy and more moderate. The rest of the suburbs are full on conservative/Republican and that wouldn't change if it was more centrally located, just that the conservative areas would surround the city instead of being only on 3 sides.
The point you are failing to comprehend is that the inner suburbs are forced to be west of Milwaukee, but are still in the county, and by the time you get to Waukesha you are in outer suburbs. Washington and Ozaukee are somewhat remote and don't have that many people. With font sizes proportional to population it would be more like:

WOW

Someone put the letters together, and then someone else re-arranged them, and a third said:

Like WOW man, that is so cool, like they don't understand someone as elite as me.


And yet not all are west, they are west and north and south before the outer ring burbs. You're also not from the area so the Eastern half of Waukesha and the Southern have of Ozaukee have a lot of people in them, burbs push out farther, then you have people in Washington and the rest of the other two counties that basically think the people in the burbs are the same evil satan type people as the city. All the burbs in the county aren't really considered inner ring either. I think you feel you know as much but really don't since you don't live here, the same as I wouldn't know as much from anywhere else.
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« Reply #49 on: December 21, 2016, 11:30:38 PM »

In 2016,

Clinton carried the city of Milwaukee: 188,687:45,422 (81%:19%, of two way vote)
She carried the remainder of the county: 100,134:80,676 (55%:45%)
Trump carried Waukesha County: 79,224:142,543 (36%:64%), Ozaukee (40%:60%), and Washington (29%:71%).

So it is simply a pattern of the city of Milwaukee being extremely leftwing, and the remainder of the county moderating that somewhat (the city had about 56% of the county vote).

Were Milwaukee more centrally located, rather than on the shoreline the metropolitan area would not be as bipolar.
But there are plenty of cities on a shoreline. Is Miami as polarized? Is San Diego? Is Boston?
Why don't you create maps to demonstrate your claims?

There is one liberal suburb and some others that are swingy and more moderate. The rest of the suburbs are full on conservative/Republican and that wouldn't change if it was more centrally located, just that the conservative areas would surround the city instead of being only on 3 sides.
The point you are failing to comprehend is that the inner suburbs are forced to be west of Milwaukee, but are still in the county, and by the time you get to Waukesha you are in outer suburbs. Washington and Ozaukee are somewhat remote and don't have that many people. With font sizes proportional to population it would be more like:

WOW

Someone put the letters together, and then someone else re-arranged them, and a third said:

Like WOW man, that is so cool, like they don't understand someone as elite as me.


And yet not all are west, they are west and north and south before the outer ring burbs. You're also not from the area so the Eastern half of Waukesha and the Southern have of Ozaukee have a lot of people in them, burbs push out farther, then you have people in Washington and the rest of the other two counties that basically think the people in the burbs are the same evil satan type people as the city. All the burbs in the county aren't really considered inner ring either. I think you feel you know as much but really don't since you don't live here, the same as I wouldn't know as much from anywhere else.
I assume you mean suburbs?

Milwaukee was 80.6% for Clinton. The highest I could find for Trump was Muskego. Clearly, it is Milwaukee that is extreme.

To the north(east) of Milwaukee, the small suburbs are about 30% Trump, except Shorewood is 18%, and River Hills is 46% Trump. This area is actually east of Milwaukee.

Then you are in Ozaukee County, and Mequon is 56% Trump, which is the lowest of any of the townships (or residuals) adjacent to Milwaukee County.

To the south along the lake you have: St. Francis 43%, Cudahy 47%, South Milwaukee 50%, Oak Creek 54%. St. Francis and Cudahy are east of Milwaukee, but you have a clear gradient going south.

West Milwaukee 32%, Wauwatosa 38%, and West Allis 48% are the closest suburbs to Milwaukee, and had their peak population in 1970, and then had declines before stabilizing. This indicates they were built out by then, and declined as family size declined and the children left home. The children either bought houses to the west in Waukesha County, or moved to Madison, Minneapolis, Chicago, or Houston. This indicates they are clearly inner suburbs.

Greenfield 52%, Greendale 52%, Hales Corner 58%, and Franklin 57% are southwest of Milwaukee. They did not have the sharp decline after 1970, so these are less inner suburbs. Greenfield has an interstate running down the middle, so it likely has more shopping centers and apartments.

Franklin and Oak Creek are more like the suburbs outside the county, so I think you should start promoting the meme of the Scary WWOOF.

Along the eastern edge of Waukesha County, you have Menomonee Falls 60%, Brookfield 60%, New Berlin 62%, and Muskego 69% continuing both the western trend and slight southerly trend.

The city of Waukesha is slightly lower 56%, (note when I wrote by the time you get to Waukesha, I was referring to the county).

But the second tier of towns (Lisbon 71%, City of Pewaukee 67%, Town of Waukesha 68%, and Vernon 73%) are a simple continuation of the east to west trend.
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