If Hillary loses, will she claim sexism as a reason for it?
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« on: August 19, 2016, 11:45:29 AM »

I know some of you may think this is a ridiculous question, but still want to get the hard numbers on this.
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« Reply #1 on: August 19, 2016, 11:48:25 AM »

No polling seems to suggest that it would play any noticeable role in the outcome, and frankly, anybody who wasn't gonna vote for Clinton due to sexism, was already in the Trump camp for a treasure trove of other horrible reasons.
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« Reply #2 on: August 19, 2016, 11:49:42 AM »

No. She would have had a much more credible claim for sexism during the 2008 primaries (Obama himself kind of alluded to that) when her biggest mistake was not shining a light on the historical aspect of her candidacy in the same way as Obama was able to do so.
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« Reply #3 on: August 19, 2016, 12:32:40 PM »

She might think it, but I doubt she'd bring it up.
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« Reply #4 on: August 19, 2016, 12:34:14 PM »

Doesn't matter, because she won't lose
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« Reply #5 on: August 19, 2016, 12:43:03 PM »

She certainly wouldn't say so publicly, although there are definitely people who antagonize her more than they would if she were a man.
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« Reply #6 on: August 19, 2016, 12:43:10 PM »

No, but she might blame the vast right-wing conspiracy to paint her as a criminal and a HP.

And she would be correct.
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« Reply #7 on: August 20, 2016, 12:45:05 AM »

No, but she'd certainly be justified in doing so.
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« Reply #8 on: August 20, 2016, 01:08:53 AM »

She might think it, but I doubt she'd bring it up.
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« Reply #9 on: August 20, 2016, 04:55:32 AM »

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« Reply #10 on: August 20, 2016, 05:27:48 AM »

In case she actually loses I can't see her personally raising this issue, but I can easily see former surrogates doing this.
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« Reply #11 on: August 20, 2016, 05:36:00 AM »

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« Reply #12 on: August 20, 2016, 05:38:04 AM »

In case she actually loses I can't see her personally raising this issue, but I can easily see former surrogates doing this.
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« Reply #13 on: August 20, 2016, 06:47:54 AM »

Sexism would be a large part of it. It is impossible to look at her as a candidate or form an opinion of her without looking through the lens of—and having our opinions of her conditioned by—gender. I garauntee her trustworthiness and likability numbers would be way, way better if she was a man. Her ambition is socially threatening, and the large target that has always been on her back would not have been there if she hadn't entered the man's world of public policy in the 1990s.
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« Reply #14 on: August 20, 2016, 07:46:24 AM »

Let's dispel with the fiction that sexism (although it's presence is hard to deny) is the only problem Hillary's facing. It's not even her biggest worry.

It would be very comforting to say, if the things go down, that it was all because of sexism, but it would be lying to ourselves.
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« Reply #15 on: August 20, 2016, 10:25:32 AM »

Of course not, but some among her followers will.

I would fully expect Salon to scream sexism for a month with Amanda Marcotte calling anyone who didn't vote for the chance to have a female president sexist.
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« Reply #16 on: August 20, 2016, 10:45:33 AM »

Probably not.
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« Reply #17 on: August 20, 2016, 10:48:05 AM »

Sexism would be a large part of it. It is impossible to look at her as a candidate or form an opinion of her without looking through the lens of—and having our opinions of her conditioned by—gender. I garauntee her trustworthiness and likability numbers would be way, way better if she was a man. Her ambition is socially threatening, and the large target that has always been on her back would not have been there if she hadn't entered the man's world of public policy in the 1990s.

Her trustworthiness and likability numbers would be much worse if she were a man.

I thought she was a man? Tell the truth, "Hillary"
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« Reply #18 on: August 20, 2016, 12:38:47 PM »


I don't think so. She's been ahead in the polls for quite awhile now, so that's an indication right there that people will vote for her.

If she loses, she should probably claim the election was rigged! lol
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« Reply #19 on: August 20, 2016, 12:43:36 PM »

Clinton has been aided by her sex far more than hindered by it.
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« Reply #20 on: August 20, 2016, 12:45:59 PM »

Clinton has been aided by her sex far more than hindered by it.

How do you figure she's been aided by her gender? I think you are deluding yourself.
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« Reply #21 on: August 20, 2016, 01:04:05 PM »

Sexism would be a large part of it. It is impossible to look at her as a candidate or form an opinion of her without looking through the lens of—and having our opinions of her conditioned by—gender. I garauntee her trustworthiness and likability numbers would be way, way better if she was a man. Her ambition is socially threatening, and the large target that has always been on her back would not have been there if she hadn't entered the man's world of public policy in the 1990s.

If I were supporting a candidate who lied under oath, whose spouse lied under oath while occupying the same office, who entered a campaign under FBI investigation, the results of which were that she was considered extremely careless in handling classified information, and whose e-mails reveal, at a minimum, the appearance of impropriety, of "pay for play" in her relationship with the Clinton Foundation while serving as Secretary of State, then the above would be most comforting.  And I'm sure Hillary, if she manages to lose this election, will blame sexism, bigotry, and the like for her defeat.  She's a living, breathing case of eternal victimstance, which, oddly enough, is a posture commonly taken by criminals; it's never their fault.

Democrat John Gilligan lost his re-election bid for Ohio Governor in 1974, one of the most heavily Democratic years in history.  When he was asked why he lost, he stated, flatly, that the voters' verdict was a personal repudiation of himself.  And Gilligan wasn't expected to lose; he had no scandals, and it was a Democratic year, so he came to this conclusion.  And he was probably right; he was someone that did not cultivate likeability, and he lost to a Republican (James Rhodes) that was extremely likeable.  Gilligan took responsibility for his defeat.  You won't see Hillary Clinton come near to that standard of owning the loss.  As she is the Democratic Nixon, I would expect her concession speech (if she loses) to resemble Nixon's performance when he lost the 1962 California Governor's race.
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« Reply #22 on: August 20, 2016, 01:09:58 PM »

Clinton has been aided by her sex far more than hindered by it.

lol

I'm sure as a white male, you are an expert in this matter.
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« Reply #23 on: August 20, 2016, 01:22:33 PM »

It's scary that I apparently voted in this poll yesterday but don't remember doing so at all.
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« Reply #24 on: August 20, 2016, 01:39:22 PM »

Clinton has been aided by her sex far more than hindered by it.

lol

I'm sure as a white male, you are an expert in this matter.

Of course she's been aided more than hindered.  If she were a male, the DNC wouldn't have cleared the field for her, wouldn't have trashed Sanders, wouldn't have pre-empted Biden.  It's not that she's this great candidate with no baggage and a powerful track record.  Saying otherwise is to be a combination of willful blindness and intellectual dishonesty.
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