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Unconditional Surrender Truman
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« on: August 21, 2016, 10:41:18 AM »

Regarding section 3d: from where do these mysterious "US troops" hail? The State Department is not aware of any country by that name.
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Unconditional Surrender Truman
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« Reply #1 on: August 23, 2016, 08:05:44 AM »

Blair and Classic are correct: the so-called "referendum" on independence was conducted by the occupying Russian Army. This is a fairly common tactic in faux democracies: the ruling authorities call a vote, employ every backhanded trick in the book to skew the results their way, and then report a massive victory in their favor to legitimize the regime. We've seen this in Syria, in Egypt under Mubarak, in North Korea - the list goes on and on. Keep in mind that because this "referendum" was extralegal (i.e. it was called by an invading army, not the Ukrainian government), most opponents of independence likely didn't vote, either because they did not want to legitimize the "referendum" or because they were intimidated by the presence of armed Russian troops backing independence.

In short, saying that "the people voted" is a woefully naive assessment of what went on in Crimea in 2013. This was an armed conquest, pure and simple, and it does not behove the Republic of Atlasia to sanction such actions.
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Unconditional Surrender Truman
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« Reply #2 on: August 23, 2016, 07:18:08 PM »

Do you think $170 million is enough money in assistance?
I believe that should be sufficient, though I will look into the matter further and alert the Senate if an increase appears necessary. I would be interested to hear how Senator Blair came to settle on this figure - for example, is it based on past actions of this government, or requests by the Ukrainian authorities?
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« Reply #3 on: August 26, 2016, 11:51:06 PM »

Again, there is no reason to believe that the so-called "referendum" is at all representative of the will of the Crimean people, except that Russia says it is. It is simply not a credible source with which to measure popular opinion.

A May 2013 poll conducted by the International Republican Institute found a healthy majority (53%) of Crimeans supported maintaining their status as an autonomous province within Ukraine, while just 23% supported independence. Past polling has been all over the place, but it's hard to conclude that Crimeans are united in support for unification with Russia. At best, the question is highly controversial, and I highly doubt that the 2014 "referendum" would even have occurred had it not been for the Russian occupation of the peninsula.

It is undeniable, however, that Crimea has seen a dramatic reduction in the standard of living since annexation, and it is difficult to see how their rights could be better protected by the Russian Federation - a country ruled by a strongman with no respect for the freedom of speech, one who has had his political opponents assassinated, whose actions in Eastern Europe pose a serious threat to international stability, and who uses aggression and war to distract from his crumbing economy - than by Ukraine.
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« Reply #4 on: September 15, 2016, 05:27:29 PM »

This has passed, correct?
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