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Santander
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« on: August 21, 2016, 06:25:00 PM »

We need to end worldwide taxation and disenfranchise non-resident citizens who've been out of the country more than 5 years.
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Santander
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« Reply #1 on: August 21, 2016, 07:11:15 PM »

We need to end worldwide taxation and disenfranchise non-resident citizens who've been out of the country more than 5 years.

Yes, we get it; you can't win elections without kicking off as many voters from the rolls as possible.  Snore.
Uh... non-resident voting is incompatible with jus soli citizenship. You choose one or the other. Every other developed country in the world has voter ID and restrictions on non-resident citizen voting. The problem in America is the draconian worldwide taxation scheme that allows non-residents to justify voting.
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Santander
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« Reply #2 on: August 21, 2016, 07:18:10 PM »

Every other developed country in the world has voter ID and restrictions on non-resident citizen voting. The problem in America is the draconian worldwide taxation scheme that allows non-residents to justify voting.

You clearly have no idea what you're talking about.  Plenty of countries allow and some even encourage non-resident citizens to vote.  But facts are irrelevant, since clearly your intention is to shrink the voter pool and increase the likelihood of nationalists succeeding.  Petty - and sad.
Considering I'm a citizen of three different countries... Roll Eyes
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Santander
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« Reply #3 on: August 21, 2016, 07:21:55 PM »

Every other developed country in the world has voter ID and restrictions on non-resident citizen voting. The problem in America is the draconian worldwide taxation scheme that allows non-residents to justify voting.

You clearly have no idea what you're talking about.  Plenty of countries allow and some even encourage non-resident citizens to vote.  But facts are irrelevant, since clearly your intention is to shrink the voter pool and increase the likelihood of nationalists succeeding.  Petty - and sad.
Considering I'm a citizen of three different countries... Roll Eyes

So what?  Your opinion is bad and you should feel bad.
That is some great logic. I'm glad you're in the right party.
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Santander
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« Reply #4 on: August 21, 2016, 07:30:05 PM »

Every other developed country in the world has voter ID and restrictions on non-resident citizen voting. The problem in America is the draconian worldwide taxation scheme that allows non-residents to justify voting.

You clearly have no idea what you're talking about.  Plenty of countries allow and some even encourage non-resident citizens to vote.  But facts are irrelevant, since clearly your intention is to shrink the voter pool and increase the likelihood of nationalists succeeding.  Petty - and sad.
Considering I'm a citizen of three different countries... Roll Eyes

Can you vote in three different countries?

Not being sarcastic, just trying to understand how all this works.
No, I've been disenfranchised by both Canada and the UK.
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Santander
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« Reply #5 on: August 21, 2016, 07:42:06 PM »

As for non-resident restrictions, well, I have no idea why you think this is necessary. This just seems like some arbitrary restriction Republicans are renowned for. One that serves no legitimate purpose other than to impose self-indulged principles on other people, such as "well if they want to vote they should live HERE." Why does it bother you that American citizens who live abroad can vote?
Considering this country was founded upon not allowing people living in distant lands to decide what goes on in this country, I think it's far from arbitrary. In addition, they get to vote in their old Congressional districts, not even some generic non-resident-citizen constituency. If Presidential elections were based on popular vote, I might support it, but non-resident voting is incompatible with the Electoral College.
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Santander
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« Reply #6 on: August 21, 2016, 08:04:01 PM »

Only semi-relevant, but what is your opinion of politicians diluting districts with non-voting prison populations?
I don't believe in felon disenfranchisement at all, other than for those convicted of crimes against the state such as treason, mutiny, sedition, or terrorism.
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Santander
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« Reply #7 on: August 22, 2016, 12:43:54 AM »

Pretty much all Americans who live abroad full-time are wealthy, highly skilled workers employed by multinational corporations. You don't have blue-collar Americans going to do entry-level work in Europe or Asia and wiring money back home to the folks in Kentucky.

The big difference is that if you're an American and live elsewhere, you made a conscious choice to do so. You weren't emigrating to support your poor, starving family or flee political or religious persecution. Most American ex-pats are members of the "global elite" who pretty much already have likeminded elected officials in any country they go to whether they can vote or not.

None of that is necessarily true of every American abroad and it shouldn't just be assumed in conjunction with an effort to delegitimize the right of citizens to vote.
Oh, please. Even after a 5 or 15-year overseas voting window, they would have the right to vote. They would just need to move back to America for a while. The vast majority of expats would not be disenfranchised by a 15-year overseas voting period, as is the period in the UK, and the only ones who couldn't are those who have, in technical terms, permanently settled elsewhere, or were anchor babies/citizens by descent who have no individual ties to America in the first place.

All these bottom-tier countries that people talk about that allow unrestricted non-resident voting do not have jus soli nationality law. You can't have both - choose one or the other.
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