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« Reply #25 on: August 21, 2016, 09:25:15 PM »

Of course it's possible. There is a model for a state-wide win in Connecticut by Republicans.  It's not likely that Trump will execute it.

Republicans haven't won CT since 1988.

MI & PA also.

And neither are in play, so what is your point?

My point is that Trump will win where most are not expecting.

You really need to temper your expectations... it's called hope-dicting.

No, because Connecticut is a solidly Democratic state, and Trump is a terrible candidate. You can pretty much rule out any state Obama won by more than 6 or 7.

Okay.. Why is he holding rallies there then?

Because the Trump campaign has no idea what they're doing and Donald wants to get home for dinner.

Of course it's possible. There is a model for a state-wide win in Connecticut by Republicans.  It's not likely that Trump will execute it.

Thanks for the great input as usual.



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« Reply #26 on: August 21, 2016, 09:26:43 PM »

No, because Connecticut is a solidly Democratic state, and Trump is a terrible candidate. You can pretty much rule out any state Obama won by more than 6 or 7.

Okay.. Why is he holding rallies there then?

Same reason he's holding rallies in a state like MS, which he obviously won't lose. Attention.
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« Reply #27 on: August 21, 2016, 09:27:21 PM »

No, no, and no.

Also, stop posting threads so quickly, you know people don't like it, so why continue?

Because I can, and I'd like input on this. I am entitled to my opinions as everyone else is on here. Just because i'm not a liberal or bashing Trump constantly, doesn't mean I can't post.

There is only one poster with 7 threads on the first page of this board. It's you. And it doesn't help that all your questions are redundant and unnecessary and that you don't seem very smart.

Take it from the kid who's 5 years younger than you.

It doesn't matter, if I was a red avatar I'd be allowed to post whatever I'd like. Most of the users here are closed minded liberals anyway so I'm not sure why I bother asking a legitimate question. Maybe you should stop telling me what to do and respect your elders.

I'm going to give you a tip. If you start a thread like this, try actually laying out what your position is. What do you see as Trump's potential strengths? What do you see as Trump's potential weaknesses? Do you see any comparable races in the past that you are basing this on? Try to actually have some degree of depth to the thread you are starting, rather than relying on everyone else to add depth to a conversation that they don't think is particularly interesting. Otherwise, you're going to be looked at as someone mindlessly spamming and adding nothing of value.
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« Reply #28 on: August 21, 2016, 09:27:45 PM »

Of course it's possible. There is a model for a state-wide win in Connecticut by Republicans.  It's not likely that Trump will execute it.

Republicans haven't won CT since 1988.

MI & PA also.

And neither are in play, so what is your point?

My point is that Trump will win where most are not expecting.

On what basis?

The basis that he is not a conventional politician.
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« Reply #29 on: August 21, 2016, 09:27:59 PM »

No, because Connecticut is a solidly Democratic state, and Trump is a terrible candidate. You can pretty much rule out any state Obama won by more than 6 or 7.

Okay.. Why is he holding rallies there then?

Because he has no idea how to run a general election campaign since he has never been a candidate for elective office at any level before, and because the staff members he listens most closely to have decidedly little experience as well.
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« Reply #30 on: August 21, 2016, 09:28:43 PM »

No, no, and no.

Also, stop posting threads so quickly, you know people don't like it, so why continue?

Because I can, and I'd like input on this. I am entitled to my opinions as everyone else is on here. Just because i'm not a liberal or bashing Trump constantly, doesn't mean I can't post.

There is only one poster with 7 threads on the first page of this board. It's you. And it doesn't help that all your questions are redundant and unnecessary and that you don't seem very smart.

Take it from the kid who's 5 years younger than you.

It doesn't matter, if I was a red avatar I'd be allowed to post whatever I'd like. Most of the users here are closed minded liberals anyway so I'm not sure why I bother asking a legitimate question. Maybe you should stop telling me what to do and respect your elders.

Except that nobody else is creating the amount of threads that you are!

Also: "respect your elders" is the best comeback you got? Real clever.

I am allowed to post as much as I can, and I will start a megathread.
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« Reply #31 on: August 21, 2016, 09:28:58 PM »

Of course it's possible. There is a model for a state-wide win in Connecticut by Republicans.  It's not likely that Trump will execute it.

Republicans haven't won CT since 1988.

MI & PA also.

And neither are in play, so what is your point?

My point is that Trump will win where most are not expecting.

On what basis?

The basis that he is not a conventional politician.

That... I can't with this. I think you need a new hobby.
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« Reply #32 on: August 21, 2016, 09:30:08 PM »

Of course it's possible. There is a model for a state-wide win in Connecticut by Republicans.  It's not likely that Trump will execute it.

Republicans haven't won CT since 1988.

MI & PA also.

And neither are in play, so what is your point?

My point is that Trump will win where most are not expecting.

You really need to temper your expectations... it's called hope-dicting.

No, because Connecticut is a solidly Democratic state, and Trump is a terrible candidate. You can pretty much rule out any state Obama won by more than 6 or 7.

Okay.. Why is he holding rallies there then?

Because the Trump campaign has no idea what they're doing and Donald wants to get home for dinner.

Of course it's possible. There is a model for a state-wide win in Connecticut by Republicans.  It's not likely that Trump will execute it.

Thanks for the great input as usual.



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That's about all we have. Since it is predominantly liberal here and others are Republican in name only.
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« Reply #33 on: August 21, 2016, 09:30:31 PM »

No, no, and no.

Also, stop posting threads so quickly, you know people don't like it, so why continue?

Because I can, and I'd like input on this. I am entitled to my opinions as everyone else is on here. Just because i'm not a liberal or bashing Trump constantly, doesn't mean I can't post.

There is only one poster with 7 threads on the first page of this board. It's you. And it doesn't help that all your questions are redundant and unnecessary and that you don't seem very smart.

Take it from the kid who's 5 years younger than you.

It doesn't matter, if I was a red avatar I'd be allowed to post whatever I'd like. Most of the users here are closed minded liberals anyway so I'm not sure why I bother asking a legitimate question. Maybe you should stop telling me what to do and respect your elders.

I'm going to give you a tip. If you start a thread like this, try actually laying out what your position is. What do you see as Trump's potential strengths? What do you see as Trump's potential weaknesses? Do you see any comparable races in the past that you are basing this on? Try to actually have some degree of depth to the thread you are starting, rather than relying on everyone else to add depth to a conversation that they don't think is particularly interesting. Otherwise, you're going to be looked at as someone mindlessly spamming and adding nothing of value.

I'd rather not state my positions and let others figure it out for themselves. It's to inspire varying points of view.

And clearly you are having tremendous success in starting valuable conversations.

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« Reply #34 on: August 21, 2016, 09:30:42 PM »

Of course it's possible. There is a model for a state-wide win in Connecticut by Republicans.  It's not likely that Trump will execute it.

Republicans haven't won CT since 1988.

MI & PA also.

And neither are in play, so what is your point?

My point is that Trump will win where most are not expecting.

On what basis?

The basis that he is not a conventional politician.

He barely has any ground operation in swing states like FL and some how he is going to pull off victories in places like MI, PA, and CT?

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« Reply #35 on: August 21, 2016, 09:31:58 PM »

This guy's a troll, not the well meaning naive lad so many seem to think he is. He's not worth feeding.
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« Reply #36 on: August 21, 2016, 09:33:05 PM »

Of course it's possible. There is a model for a state-wide win in Connecticut by Republicans.  It's not likely that Trump will execute it.

Republicans haven't won CT since 1988.

MI & PA also.

And neither are in play, so what is your point?

My point is that Trump will win where most are not expecting.

On what basis?

The basis that he is not a conventional politician.

That... I can't with this. I think you need a new hobby.

I think you need to reevaluate the candidate who you are supporting as does everyone else.

I don't think Hillary is perfect, but I've never felt the repulsion toward a candidate and campaign as I do Donald Trump.

This guy's a troll, not the well meaning naive lad so many seem to think he is. He's not worth feeding.

Yeah, it's pretty clear now. Onto ignore you go and I urge others to do the same.
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« Reply #37 on: August 21, 2016, 09:33:32 PM »

This guy's a troll, not the well meaning naive lad so many seem to think he is. He's not worth feeding.

I'm obviously not a troll. I have questions that deserve an answer and would like to provide insight to the closed mindedness that I have witnessed.
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« Reply #38 on: August 21, 2016, 09:34:08 PM »

Of course it's possible. There is a model for a state-wide win in Connecticut by Republicans.  It's not likely that Trump will execute it.

Republicans haven't won CT since 1988.

MI & PA also.

And neither are in play, so what is your point?

My point is that Trump will win where most are not expecting.

On what basis?

The basis that he is not a conventional politician.

His unconventionalness doesn't matter if the electorate looks anything like a conventional electorate. If anything that makes highly-conventional states like Connecticut more difficult for Trump. Maybe it gives him an edge in states like Alaska or Montana that have a reputation for being eccentric or contrarian, but not in the majority of the country.
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« Reply #39 on: August 21, 2016, 09:34:36 PM »

Of course it's possible. There is a model for a state-wide win in Connecticut by Republicans.  It's not likely that Trump will execute it.

Republicans haven't won CT since 1988.

MI & PA also.

And neither are in play, so what is your point?

My point is that Trump will win where most are not expecting.

On what basis?

The basis that he is not a conventional politician.

That... I can't with this. I think you need a new hobby.

I think you need to reevaluate the candidate who you are supporting as does everyone else.

I don't think Hillary is perfect, but I've never felt the repulsion toward a candidate and campaign as I do Donald Trump.

I can understand that.
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« Reply #40 on: August 21, 2016, 09:35:24 PM »

Of course it's possible. There is a model for a state-wide win in Connecticut by Republicans.  It's not likely that Trump will execute it.

Republicans haven't won CT since 1988.

MI & PA also.

And neither are in play, so what is your point?

My point is that Trump will win where most are not expecting.

On what basis?

The basis that he is not a conventional politician.

His unconventionalness doesn't matter if the electorate looks anything like a conventional electorate. If anything that makes highly-conventional states like Connecticut more difficult for Trump. Maybe it gives him an edge in Alaska or Montana that have a reputation for being eccentric or contrarian, but not in the majority of the country.

Any other states come to mind?
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« Reply #41 on: August 21, 2016, 09:35:48 PM »
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Of course it's possible. There is a model for a state-wide win in Connecticut by Republicans.  It's not likely that Trump will execute it.

Republicans haven't won CT since 1988.
I am well aware the last time Republicans won CT. There's a difference between whether there's a path to victory in Connecticut -- which there is -- and none whatsoever.

Do I think Trump has a chance to win Connecticut? Of the three NYC metro states, CT is most likely. Will he win it? Probably not. You can win a state-wide race in CT as a Republican, but you need everything to go the right way, including in Rockefeller Republican-areas of wealth and education, which are not necessarily Trump's wheelhouse.
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« Reply #42 on: August 21, 2016, 09:40:19 PM »

Connecticut has a Cook PVI of D+7.  So the correct answer is no, unless Trump is winning the election by 10 points or so.  That's not very likely.

The other answer is that it would be nice if the horde of negative nabobs didn't attack new posters for asking questions.  I doubt they'd be attacking a poster if they asked can Clinton win Alaska? - an R+12 state - which is something that has been asked and answered numerous times on this site.
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« Reply #43 on: August 21, 2016, 09:41:59 PM »

Of course it's possible. There is a model for a state-wide win in Connecticut by Republicans.  It's not likely that Trump will execute it.

Republicans haven't won CT since 1988.

MI & PA also.

And neither are in play, so what is your point?

My point is that Trump will win where most are not expecting.

On what basis?

The basis that he is not a conventional politician.

His unconventionalness doesn't matter if the electorate looks anything like a conventional electorate. If anything that makes highly-conventional states like Connecticut more difficult for Trump. Maybe it gives him an edge in Alaska or Montana that have a reputation for being eccentric or contrarian, but not in the majority of the country.

Any other states come to mind?

Maine, maybe? Perhaps Minnesota, given that they once elected a Reform Party governor, though it has been quite a while since that happened, and the state Republican party was not in particularly good shape the last time I heard anything about it. There aren't too many that come to mind, honestly. And even in those two, the natural Democratic electoral advantage in each is hard to overcome; more likely that Trump makes the races a bit closer than usual than that he actually wins them.
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« Reply #44 on: August 21, 2016, 09:43:03 PM »

Of course it's possible. There is a model for a state-wide win in Connecticut by Republicans.  It's not likely that Trump will execute it.

Republicans haven't won CT since 1988.

MI & PA also.

And neither are in play, so what is your point?

My point is that Trump will win where most are not expecting.

On what basis?

The basis that he is not a conventional politician.

His unconventionalness doesn't matter if the electorate looks anything like a conventional electorate. If anything that makes highly-conventional states like Connecticut more difficult for Trump. Maybe it gives him an edge in Alaska or Montana that have a reputation for being eccentric or contrarian, but not in the majority of the country.

Any other states come to mind?

Maine, maybe? Perhaps Minnesota, given that they once elected a Reform Party governor, though it has been quite a while since that happened, and the state Republican party was not in particularly good shape the last time I heard anything about it. There aren't too many that come to mind, honestly. And even in those two, the natural Democratic electoral advantage in each is hard to overcome; more likely that Trump makes the races a bit closer than usual than that he actually wins them.

Best argument I've heard in a while. Not Minnesota though because I feel that he is a poorer fit for the state than Romney, and likely to do better in places like WI or MI.
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« Reply #45 on: August 21, 2016, 09:46:11 PM »

No, no, and no.

Also, stop posting threads so quickly, you know people don't like it, so why continue?

Definitely will be missing my posts next week.
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« Reply #46 on: August 21, 2016, 09:47:49 PM »

No, no, and no.

Also, stop posting threads so quickly, you know people don't like it, so why continue?

Definitely will be missing my posts next week.

Nobody will be missing your posts. The quality of discussion will be equal, if not higher, without you here. Hopefully you'll learn some at college, though.
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« Reply #47 on: August 21, 2016, 09:48:24 PM »

Of course it's possible. There is a model for a state-wide win in Connecticut by Republicans.  It's not likely that Trump will execute it.

Republicans haven't won CT since 1988.

MI & PA also.

And neither are in play, so what is your point?

My point is that Trump will win where most are not expecting.

On what basis?

The basis that he is not a conventional politician.

His unconventionalness doesn't matter if the electorate looks anything like a conventional electorate. If anything that makes highly-conventional states like Connecticut more difficult for Trump. Maybe it gives him an edge in Alaska or Montana that have a reputation for being eccentric or contrarian, but not in the majority of the country.

Any other states come to mind?

Maine, maybe? Perhaps Minnesota, given that they once elected a Reform Party governor, though it has been quite a while since that happened, and the state Republican party was not in particularly good shape the last time I heard anything about it. There aren't too many that come to mind, honestly. And even in those two, the natural Democratic electoral advantage in each is hard to overcome; more likely that Trump makes the races a bit closer than usual than that he actually wins them.

Best argument I've heard in a while. Not Minnesota though because I feel that he is a poorer fit for the state than Romney, and likely to do better in places like WI or MI.

Agreed on Minnesota, Romney was a better fit there given that it is a relatively well-educated state and those voters have been Trump's weakness. That'll offset whatever benefit he gets from its somewhat idiosyncratic tendencies.
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« Reply #48 on: August 21, 2016, 09:51:39 PM »

Of course it's possible. There is a model for a state-wide win in Connecticut by Republicans.  It's not likely that Trump will execute it.

Republicans haven't won CT since 1988.

MI & PA also.

And neither are in play, so what is your point?

My point is that Trump will win where most are not expecting.

On what basis?

The basis that he is not a conventional politician.

His unconventionalness doesn't matter if the electorate looks anything like a conventional electorate. If anything that makes highly-conventional states like Connecticut more difficult for Trump. Maybe it gives him an edge in Alaska or Montana that have a reputation for being eccentric or contrarian, but not in the majority of the country.

Any other states come to mind?

Maine, maybe? Perhaps Minnesota, given that they once elected a Reform Party governor, though it has been quite a while since that happened, and the state Republican party was not in particularly good shape the last time I heard anything about it. There aren't too many that come to mind, honestly. And even in those two, the natural Democratic electoral advantage in each is hard to overcome; more likely that Trump makes the races a bit closer than usual than that he actually wins them.

Best argument I've heard in a while. Not Minnesota though because I feel that he is a poorer fit for the state than Romney, and likely to do better in places like WI or MI.

Agreed on Minnesota, Romney was a better fit there given that it is a relatively well-educated state and those voters have been Trump's weakness. That'll offset whatever benefit he gets from its somewhat idiosyncratic tendencies.

Trump will do better with the working class voters but whatever gains he makes will be offset with the educated vote. So in the end, he does worse in Minnesota with <45%. Maybe slightly better in WI with about 47%. MI would be around 48% or 49% and expecting it to be extremely close due to Trump's reaching out to the AA working class voters, impact on the polling numbers remains to be seen though.
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« Reply #49 on: August 21, 2016, 10:19:16 PM »

Of course it's possible. There is a model for a state-wide win in Connecticut by Republicans.  It's not likely that Trump will execute it.

Republicans haven't won CT since 1988.

MI & PA also.

And neither are in play, so what is your point?

My point is that Trump will win where most are not expecting.

On what basis?

The basis that he is not a conventional politician.

His unconventionalness doesn't matter if the electorate looks anything like a conventional electorate. If anything that makes highly-conventional states like Connecticut more difficult for Trump. Maybe it gives him an edge in Alaska or Montana that have a reputation for being eccentric or contrarian, but not in the majority of the country.

Any other states come to mind?

Maine, maybe? Perhaps Minnesota, given that they once elected a Reform Party governor, though it has been quite a while since that happened, and the state Republican party was not in particularly good shape the last time I heard anything about it. There aren't too many that come to mind, honestly. And even in those two, the natural Democratic electoral advantage in each is hard to overcome; more likely that Trump makes the races a bit closer than usual than that he actually wins them.

Best argument I've heard in a while. Not Minnesota though because I feel that he is a poorer fit for the state than Romney, and likely to do better in places like WI or MI.

Agreed on Minnesota, Romney was a better fit there given that it is a relatively well-educated state and those voters have been Trump's weakness. That'll offset whatever benefit he gets from its somewhat idiosyncratic tendencies.

Trump will do better with the working class voters but whatever gains he makes will be offset with the educated vote. So in the end, he does worse in Minnesota with <45%. Maybe slightly better in WI with about 47%. MI would be around 48% or 49% and expecting it to be extremely close due to Trump's reaching out to the AA working class voters, impact on the polling numbers remains to be seen though.

Trump is going to get crushed in MI.  He's not resonating with blacks and will probably do worse than Romney with them.  He's going to flop in Dearborn, home to America's largest Arab population.  And affluent Oakland County will also be bad for him; even Romney, who was born and raised there, lost the county.  Trump may do better in blue collar Macomb County than Romney but not too much better.

This election is going to be a YUGE win for Hillary.
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