Coulter: If Clinton wins, illegal immigrant amnesty means permanent D majority

[Devout Centrist]

Coulter is right. Amnesty for illegal immigrants is not a winning Republican platform. Country club Republicans are brain dead to push it.

Immigrants as a general rule are Democrats.

You know little to nothing about the history of your own party.

[The Other Castro]

Hmm, I really don't know why the Republican vote share of Hispanics/Latinos is reaching record lows. Really, no idea whatsoever.

George H.W. holds the record for lowest percentage of Hispanic voters in an election. Perhaps it was his pro-amnesty stance, eh? Give them amnesty, and they give you 21% of their vote. Nice gratitude.

That was also a year with a third party candidate taking double digits among Hispanics, and Trump will almost definitely get a smaller portion than H.W. (as in less than 25%). There is rhetoric that is an obvious turn off, and Trump and his surrogates have taken that to full blast.

[Santander]

She's right, though. I have a far-left friend who thinks Bernie isn't left enough at times and believes in amnesty but acknowledges that the Dems care about a pathway to citizenship so much because they want to import voters.

[Ebsy]

She's right, though. I have a far-left friend who thinks Bernie isn't left enough at times and believes in amnesty but acknowledges that the Dems care about a pathway to citizenship so much because they want to import voters.

Doesn't importing imply that said potential voters aren't already here in the US.

[Redban]

Hmm, I really don't know why the Republican vote share of Hispanics/Latinos is reaching record lows. Really, no idea whatsoever.

George H.W. holds the record for lowest percentage of Hispanic voters in an election. Perhaps it was his pro-amnesty stance, eh? Give them amnesty, and they give you 21% of their vote. Nice gratitude.

That was also a year with a third party candidate taking double digits among Hispanics, and Trump will almost definitely get a smaller portion than H.W. (as in less than 25%). There is rhetoric that is an obvious turn off, and Trump and his surrogates have taken that to full blast.

1). Perot might have taken votes away from Clinton too.

2). Even if you hypothetically give H.W. all of Perot's Hispanic votes, he still falls far short of Bill Clinton. Hence, the point remains -- Hispanics didn't reward the candidate who gave them amnesty.

3). Reagan 1980, Reagan 1984, Bob Dole 1996, George W. Bush 2000, and McCain 2008 didn't engage in harsh rhetoric, yet all of them struggled to get 35% of the Hispanic vote. Reagan, Bush and McCain even supported or (in Reagan's case) gave amnesty. If harsh rhetoric were the cause, then those 3 would have done better.

[elcorazon]

No, it means the GOP will have to change to appeal to people non-white people.

If Republican = bigoted xenophobe and Democrat = not bigoted xenophobe, then she's correct.

Republicans could change from xenophobia to a sort of aspirational affiliation.  If the Republicans can market themselves as the party for people who have moved up - out of poverty, out of the barrio/ghetto - and have arrived as "respectable" Americans, they may have a chance at a broader appeal.  They need to send the message that Republican = success, and Democrat = perpetuating the old cycles of poverty and social segregation.

That would be my strategy if I were working for the GOP.  To do this, they need to radically reinvent themselves.  They need the face of the party to be as multicolored as possible.  That sends the message that it gives a leg up to everyone.  It's a tall order, but it's the only way to survive on a national level.

Yep, that would be a good strategy for the GOP. I think it's where they (or at least a few factions) were trying to go... and then Good Ol' Billionaire Boy came along and ripped the foil off all their nastiest nastyness and threw it everywhere.

Even if (I hope when) he loses, the damage Trump has done to the GOP will echo for a generation, if not a century.

Actually, IMHO things were knocked off the rails 24 years earlier, when Bill Clinton came along and appropriated the entire GOP Prosperity Gospel.  The effect on the GOP was catastrophic, and it's why the party today has no chance in places like IL, CT, NJ and DE, and very little chance in NH and ME.

Unless they can recapture that mantle, states like AZ and GA will slip away (joining the likes of NM), TX will become a swing state, and the Republicans will be a rust-belt/rural/sagebrush coalition that only represents 25% of the population.

Edit: and that's without the help of amnesty.

Bill Clinton's political legacy is really underrated. 1992 turned out to be a re-alignment election.  Before then, Democrats got killed with white suburban voters in presidential elections; Clinton moved the party to the center (although it is now full blown socialist, obsessed with racial and gender identity politics), and the peace and prosperity during his presidency has enabled the Dems to maintain their northeastern/IL+MI/west coast blue wall. 

lol

[The Other Castro]

Hmm, I really don't know why the Republican vote share of Hispanics/Latinos is reaching record lows. Really, no idea whatsoever.

George H.W. holds the record for lowest percentage of Hispanic voters in an election. Perhaps it was his pro-amnesty stance, eh? Give them amnesty, and they give you 21% of their vote. Nice gratitude.

That was also a year with a third party candidate taking double digits among Hispanics, and Trump will almost definitely get a smaller portion than H.W. (as in less than 25%). There is rhetoric that is an obvious turn off, and Trump and his surrogates have taken that to full blast.

1). Perot might have taken votes away from Clinton too.

2). Even if you hypothetically give H.W. all of Perot's Hispanic votes, he still falls far short of Bill Clinton. Hence, the point remains -- Hispanics didn't reward the candidate who gave them amnesty.

3). Reagan 1980, Reagan 1984, Bob Dole 1996, George W. Bush 2000, and McCain 2008 didn't engage in harsh rhetoric, yet all of them struggled to get 35% of the Hispanic vote. Reagan, Bush and McCain even supported or (in Reagan's case) gave amnesty. If harsh rhetoric were the cause, then those 3 would have done better.

I'm not saying that the Republican struggle among Hispanics can be solved simply by policy positions. Romney could have run a more pro-immigration campaign than Obama and he still would have likely lost (albeit by a possibly smaller margin). The point is that the campaign Trump is running could be furthering the gap by 10-15 points from what a good campaign could be getting.

[ProudModerate2]

This and this ....

If Republican = bigoted xenophobe and Democrat = not bigoted xenophobe, then she's correct.

"If Clinton wins, brown people I don't like will be able to vote (and probably won't vote how I want them to)."

[Frozen Sky Ever Why]

What a disgusting piece of ****. First she lies about there being widespread vote fraud, then she has the audacity to claim it's always Democrats stealing the elections, never Republicans. The last time a statewide race was blatantly stolen was AL 2002, and it certainly wasn't the Democrats doing the thievery.

[Daniel Defense]

I dont think she's completely wrong in saying this.  Unless Hispanic families wealth and income situation improves over the next 15 years , I could In vision a voting block that stays democratic in the 70% range.

[Arbitrage1980]

It's economics. Most blacks and hispanics aren't that well off and need government help. They also can't compete with Asians when it comes to admission to elite schools, so they need affirmative action.  This is why they vote democratic by such large margins.

[Attorney General, LGC Speaker, and Former PPT Dwarven Dragon]

What a disgusting piece of ****. First she lies about there being widespread vote fraud, then she has the audacity to claim it's always Democrats stealing the elections, never Republicans. The last time a statewide race was blatantly stolen was AL 2002, and it certainly wasn't the Democrats doing the thievery.

WA Gov. 2004 is an open question

[Santander]

It's economics. Most blacks and hispanics aren't that well off and need government help. They also can't compete with Asians when it comes to admission to elite schools, so they need affirmative action.  This is why they vote democratic by such large margins.

Oh my.

And let's not lump the plight of blacks, who have a unique history in this nation, with the situation of other minorities, and definitely not with illegal immigrants. It's demeaning to the seriousness of their situation.

[Fmr. Pres. Duke]

She is right. That's why I wanted Bush to get his amnesty through years ago, but the GOP didn't back him.

[Okay, maybe Mike Johnson is a competent parliamentarian.]

I dont think she's completely wrong in saying this.  Unless Hispanic families wealth and income situation improves over the next 15 years , I could In vision a voting block that stays democratic in the 70% range.

Or unless the Republicans moderate on economics.

[Attorney General, LGC Speaker, and Former PPT Dwarven Dragon]

She is right. That's why I wanted Bush to get his amnesty through years ago, but the GOP didn't back him.

How are you a republican?

[Santander]

She is right. That's why I wanted Bush to get his amnesty through years ago, but the GOP didn't back him.

How are you a republican?

You do realize that Republican orthodoxy leans towards amnesty? That's one of the main reasons for Trump's success.

[Attorney General, LGC Speaker, and Former PPT Dwarven Dragon]

She is right. That's why I wanted Bush to get his amnesty through years ago, but the GOP didn't back him.

How are you a republican?

You do realize that Republican orthodoxy leans towards amnesty? That's one of the main reasons for Trump's success.

Right. But you just said the reason why you want amnesty is to get a permanent D majority.

[Badger]

Hmm, I really don't know why the Republican vote share of Hispanics/Latinos is reaching record lows. Really, no idea whatsoever.

George H.W. holds the record for lowest percentage of Hispanic voters in an election. Perhaps it was his pro-amnesty stance, eh? Give them amnesty, and they give you 21% of their vote. Nice gratitude.

the guy was such a $hitty president he only got 39% of the vote. 21% of Hispanics under the circumstances isn't bad.

[LLR]

She is right. That's why I wanted Bush to get his amnesty through years ago, but the GOP didn't back him.

How are you a republican?

You do realize that Republican orthodoxy leans towards amnesty? That's one of the main reasons for Trump's success.

Right. But you just said the reason why you want amnesty is to get a permanent D majority.

No, he said he wanted it to get through years ago when this wouldn't have been the case.

[Fmr President & Senator Polnut]

CCSF is Ann Coulter?

[Deblano]

No, it means the GOP will have to change to appeal to people non-white people.

But that's too haaaaaaaaaaaaard. :