Who do you side with in the 1993 Russian Constitutional Crisis?
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« on: August 23, 2016, 04:44:21 PM »
« edited: August 23, 2016, 04:45:52 PM by Zyzz »

This is a much less widely remembered event compared to the 1991 Soviet coup attempt, where Yeltsin was atop the tank defying the coup. Ironically enough, just two years later in 1993 Yeltsin was the one who ordered the army to surround the Russian parliament building. The Russian constitution at the time gave Parliament the power to impeach the President, like the US constitution does. Yeltsin was extremely unpopular in 1992/93 after moving much too fast with privatization leading to him getting impeached by the Russian parliament.  What Yeltsin did would be the equivalent of Nixon sending in the 81st airborne to arrest Congress. Tanks and snipers shot at the building to force the Parliament to evacuate.

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« Reply #1 on: August 23, 2016, 04:55:48 PM »

     I am usually not a fan of the President laying siege to the main Legislative body.
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« Reply #2 on: August 23, 2016, 05:18:23 PM »

     I am usually not a fan of the President laying siege to the main Legislative body.
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« Reply #3 on: August 23, 2016, 07:04:11 PM »

     I am usually not a fan of the President laying siege to the main Legislative body.

But Yeltsin was such a Democrat!
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« Reply #4 on: August 23, 2016, 08:42:56 PM »

     I am usually not a fan of the President laying siege to the main Legislative body.

Sometimes it's gotta happen, bro.
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« Reply #5 on: August 23, 2016, 10:02:18 PM »

     I am usually not a fan of the President laying siege to the main Legislative body.
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« Reply #6 on: August 24, 2016, 03:40:40 AM »
« Edited: August 24, 2016, 03:42:13 AM by I did not see L.A. »

     I am usually not a fan of the President laying siege to the main Legislative body.

Sometimes it's gotta happen, bro.

Well, I'd definitely have supported it if Obama had done that in 2011 or 2013, but those were pretty extraordinary circumstances. Wink
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« Reply #7 on: August 24, 2016, 08:58:28 AM »

     I am usually not a fan of the President laying siege to the main Legislative body.

Sometimes it's gotta happen, bro.

Well, I'd definitely have supported it if Obama had done that in 2011 or 2013, but those were pretty extraordinary circumstances. Wink

It'd certainly have been an interesting change of pace and make for a great storyline*.

*I think someone once sarcastically did a timeline that portrayed the change of power from Bush to Obama as though it were a Third World country or a banana republic. Simfan seems like a potential author, but I know it wasn't he; pretty sure it was a Democrat.
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« Reply #8 on: August 24, 2016, 12:02:14 PM »

It was d1212 or whatever his name was. You know that Leftist Chinese nationalist who hated Sanders.
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« Reply #9 on: August 24, 2016, 12:16:36 PM »

Yeltsin
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« Reply #10 on: August 24, 2016, 03:26:56 PM »

TBF Yeltsin was probably drunk.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=v9YnDirqwT4
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« Reply #11 on: August 24, 2016, 06:36:47 PM »

If you were any other man I would have ignored you where you stand...
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« Reply #12 on: August 25, 2016, 02:05:27 AM »
« Edited: August 25, 2016, 02:38:45 AM by TimTurner »

If you were any other man I would have ignored you where you stand...
Why so?
Personally I see both sides here as very flawed. The parliament wanted to perhaps, ultimately, return to failed communism. Yeltsin would wound up installing a constitution that made his office much too powerful, and repressed the press too much. Little to no checks and balances=worse government.
Yeltsin wasn't really that much of a saint by any means.
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« Reply #13 on: August 25, 2016, 03:20:37 AM »

If you were any other man I would have ignored you where you stand...

One of my favorite movies! Well done. Cheesy
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« Reply #14 on: August 25, 2016, 10:18:59 PM »

If you were any other man I would have ignored you where you stand...
Why so?
Personally I see both sides here as very flawed. The parliament wanted to perhaps, ultimately, return to failed communism. Yeltsin would wound up installing a constitution that made his office much too powerful, and repressed the press too much. Little to no checks and balances=worse government.
Yeltsin wasn't really that much of a saint by any means.
(TW: Mild Soviet nostalgia) Yeltsin led to the near destruction of Russia through his disastrous economic policies and he led to the rise to power of first the oligarchs and then Putin by not only creating the "rules to play by" for the Russian President but also by making Putin the only real alternative to his economic policies. He also led to two bloody and useless wars in Chechnya(Yes Putin led the second, but Yeltsin caused both). And I haven't even mentioned his cynical use of populism to illegally destroy the Soviet Union. He also stole at least one election and repressed political opposition. Almost regardless of what the Soviet did, it could not be any worse then him.
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