Economist/You Gov National: Clinton +3 (2-way); +4 (4-way)
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« on: August 24, 2016, 12:24:39 PM »

2-way Clinton +3
Hillary Clinton: 47% (0)
Donald Trump: 44% (+3)
Someone else / Not sure yet / No preference: 7%
Probably won't vote: 3%

4-way Clinton +4
Hillary Clinton: 42% (+1)
Donald Trump: 38% (+3)
Gary Johnson: 6% (-1)
Jill Stein: 4% (+1)
Someone else: 2%
Not sure yet: 7%
Probably won't vote: 3%

8/19 - 8/23; 906 RV; MOE +/- 4.1%
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« Reply #1 on: August 24, 2016, 12:40:33 PM »

Throw it in the average.
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« Reply #2 on: August 24, 2016, 01:01:50 PM »

Disappointing, to say the least. So many mixed messages in the polling. Missouri is not a virtual tie if it's Clinton +3. North Carolina is not Clinton +2 if the race is Clinton +13 nationally.

There are literally two diametrically opposed competing narratives, and it's not simply a matter of choosing to believe the state polls only or the national polls only. Things are a mess.
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« Reply #3 on: August 24, 2016, 01:03:51 PM »

Disappointing, to say the least. So many mixed messages in the polling. Missouri is not a virtual tie if it's Clinton +3. North Carolina is not Clinton +2 if the race is Clinton +13 nationally.

There are literally two diametrically opposed competing narratives, and it's not simply a matter of choosing to believe the state polls only or the national polls only. Things are a mess.

What is unquestionable though is that HRC is leading significantly. When do polls tend to converge for the final results? Is it around Labor Day weekend?
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« Reply #4 on: August 24, 2016, 01:04:15 PM »

Disappointing, to say the least. So many mixed messages in the polling. Missouri is not a virtual tie if it's Clinton +3. North Carolina is not Clinton +2 if the race is Clinton +13 nationally.

There are literally two diametrically opposed competing narratives, and it's not simply a matter of choosing to believe the state polls only or the national polls only. Things are a mess.
Look at the polls average. Clinton +7,4 according to Huffington

I'm not worried.
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« Reply #5 on: August 24, 2016, 01:11:20 PM »

YouGov has consistently shown a relatively right race with very little variation.
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« Reply #6 on: August 24, 2016, 01:37:43 PM »

Disappointing, to say the least. So many mixed messages in the polling. Missouri is not a virtual tie if it's Clinton +3. North Carolina is not Clinton +2 if the race is Clinton +13 nationally.

There are literally two diametrically opposed competing narratives, and it's not simply a matter of choosing to believe the state polls only or the national polls only. Things are a mess.

Don't be like beet Tongue
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« Reply #7 on: August 24, 2016, 01:56:28 PM »

Remember that there is generally a large margin of error. If the race is something like +7 nationally we'd expect to see some +3 polls and some +11 polls (or roughly something like that). And that's not taking into account house effects, crappy pollsters, etc.
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« Reply #8 on: August 24, 2016, 01:57:06 PM »

YouGov last poll 2012 was Obama +2, result was + 3,9
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« Reply #9 on: August 24, 2016, 03:39:26 PM »

To clarify, I'm not really worried (she is consistently winning by any metric, and the fundamentals of the race seem to be locked in place), but I am disappointed that things seem to have tightened. It makes the presidential race too close for comfort when one considers that the opposition is Donald Trump, and it makes the dream of a Democratic House pretty unrealistic.

I mean, I'd like to see Hillary reelected. That will be easier if she can actually have some accomplishments under her belt, so I see a blue Congress as necessary.
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« Reply #10 on: August 24, 2016, 04:05:09 PM »

Disappointing, to say the least. So many mixed messages in the polling. Missouri is not a virtual tie if it's Clinton +3. North Carolina is not Clinton +2 if the race is Clinton +13 nationally.

There are literally two diametrically opposed competing narratives, and it's not simply a matter of choosing to believe the state polls only or the national polls only. Things are a mess.

Polls are almost never completely consistent and logical, particularly when there are dozens of different firms with dozens of different methodologies doing the polling. That's why it's best to just look at the averages. I mean, even in 2008 there were polls in late October showing McCain only 1 point behind. I'm sure the Seriouslys of the world back then were harping on them and insisting Obama was doomed.
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« Reply #11 on: August 24, 2016, 05:05:57 PM »

Lol

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« Reply #12 on: August 24, 2016, 05:19:13 PM »

Disappointing, to say the least. So many mixed messages in the polling. Missouri is not a virtual tie if it's Clinton +3. North Carolina is not Clinton +2 if the race is Clinton +13 nationally.

There are literally two diametrically opposed competing narratives, and it's not simply a matter of choosing to believe the state polls only or the national polls only. Things are a mess.

What is unquestionable though is that HRC is leading significantly. When do polls tend to converge for the final results? Is it around Labor Day weekend?

The answer in 2012 was "never".
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« Reply #13 on: August 24, 2016, 05:37:49 PM »

Disappointing, to say the least. So many mixed messages in the polling. Missouri is not a virtual tie if it's Clinton +3. North Carolina is not Clinton +2 if the race is Clinton +13 nationally.

There are literally two diametrically opposed competing narratives, and it's not simply a matter of choosing to believe the state polls only or the national polls only. Things are a mess.

What is unquestionable though is that HRC is leading significantly. When do polls tend to converge for the final results? Is it around Labor Day weekend?

The answer in 2012 was "never".

Arguably the state polls converged to a reasonable degree.  Obviously Gallup still has egg on their face from the final national poll, though.
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