Where would the race be if Hillary's favorables were still at her 2009-12 level?

[Joe Republic]

http://elections.huffingtonpost.com/pollster/hillary-clinton-favorable-rating

Hillary's favorables peaked at around 62%-34%.

Where would this election be right now if she were still at those levels, and Trump's as they are now?

[Phony Moderate]

It would be in some cheap movie produced by a Democratic hack.

[Joe Republic]

Did I accidentally post this in FC, or did a mod move it here?  Weird.

[LLR]

Over. 50-state landslide. Trump would've conceded. (Basically Xiivi's timeline)

[evergreenarbor]

Hilarious landslide. Clinton +20:

Sec. Hillary Clinton (D-NY)/Sen. Tim Kaine (D-VA): 58.5% PV, 474 EVs
Businessman Donald Trump (R-NY)/Gov. Mike Pence (R-IN): 38.5% PV, 64 EVs
Gov. Gary Johnson (L-NM)/Gov. Bill Weld (L-MA): 3% PV, 0 EVs
Others: ~0% PV

This is pretty much the ceiling for Democrats in a presidential election, although in a normal (i.e. no Trump) election a Democrat probably couldn't win Kansas or Utah.

[The world will shine with light in our nightmare]

Hilarious landslide. Clinton +20:

Sec. Hillary Clinton (D-NY)/Sen. Tim Kaine (D-VA): 58.5% PV, 474 EVs
Businessman Donald Trump (R-NY)/Gov. Mike Pence (R-IN): 38.5% PV, 64 EVs
Gov. Gary Johnson (L-NM)/Gov. Bill Weld (L-MA): 3% PV, 0 EVs
Others: ~0% PV

This is pretty much the ceiling for Democrats in a presidential election, although in a normal (i.e. no Trump) election a Democrat probably couldn't win Kansas or Utah.

^ Beat me to the map.  Basically, every state that could conceivably go Democrat in this year of our Lord would.

[MASHED POTATOES. VOTE!]

The main reason for Hillary's high approvals was the simple fact that Secretaries of State, removed from domestic politics, are usually quite popular. I was predicting correctly it'll change once she's back in the game and I can't see it holding under this scenario.

[Kingpoleon]

372: Safe/Likely/Lean D
55: Safe/Likely/Lean R
111: Tossup

Final Result:

470: Hillary Clinton/Jon Tester - 56.0%
68: Donald Trump/Mike Pence  - 35.6%
Gary Johnson/William Weld - 7.5%
Others - 0.9%

[MASHED POTATOES. VOTE!]

The main reason for Hillary's high approvals was the simple fact that Secretaries of State, removed from domestic politics, are usually quite popular. I was predicting correctly it'll change once she's back in the game and I can't see it holding under this scenario.

We also shouldn't forget how she became a useful anti-Obama foil for conservative commentators. (Not that she had anything to do with their vitriol for a Democratic POTUS, obviously.)

It's a bit sticky situation for her I think. Being perceived as "running for Obama's third term" may be helpful with the base, but reinforces her negative image as someone who can't make it on her own (first on Bill's, now on Obama's backs.)

[IceSpear]

This is like asking what the race would be like if Republicans ran Abraham Lincoln's re-animated corpse. The media would never let her stay that popular during an election season.

[IceSpear]

The main reason for Hillary's high approvals was the simple fact that Secretaries of State, removed from domestic politics, are usually quite popular. I was predicting correctly it'll change once she's back in the game and I can't see it holding under this scenario.

We also shouldn't forget how she became a useful anti-Obama foil for conservative commentators. (Not that she had anything to do with their vitriol for a Democratic POTUS, obviously.)

Yes, how often did we hear right wingers talk about how they wished Hillary was president instead, because at least she wasn't a Kenyan Muslim America hater. Now suddenly they've flip flopped and talk about how she'd be 10x worse than Obama. lol

This is also partly responsible for Obama's rising approvals. He's benefiting from the opposite dynamic that Hillary benefited from as SoS.

[MASHED POTATOES. VOTE!]

This is like asking what the race would be like if Republicans ran Abraham Lincoln's re-animated corpse. The media would never let her stay that popular during an election season.

Most likely. The media are always hungry for a competitive race. That's one of the reason Bernie was getting so much coverage (I'm a Bernie supporter and I'm willing to admit that).

Also, imagine all the bucket of dirt that would be poured at Lincoln today. He did receive a huge amound of this when he was alive, but with 24-hours news cycle.