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« on: August 29, 2016, 11:44:21 PM »

We have these swing states like FL,PA and VA where Hillary is ahead but yet IA and OH always shows her ahead by only 1 or 2 points. Why does Trump do so well there in those 2 states?
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« Reply #1 on: August 30, 2016, 12:09:50 AM »

Both states have large numbers of whites with no college degree, which is Trump's demographic wheelhouse.  Both states have strong protectionist attitudes.  Iowa has a very small number of nonwhite voters and the Iowa Republican Establishment has embraced Trump.

I would separate the two states insofar as I doubt Trump will win Ohio -- there's a decent sized nonwhite demographic there and Kasich and Portman are giving Trump the cold shoulder.  But I think Trump has a solid chance to win Iowa.  Clinton has never showed any real strength in her primary performances there, whereas she looked strong in Ohio both in 2008 and 2016.
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« Reply #2 on: August 30, 2016, 12:16:30 AM »

Whites without a college degree. They're a large part of the electorate in both of these states, and Iowa has very few minorities to offset the gains Trump might be making among this particular demographic.
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« Reply #3 on: August 30, 2016, 09:17:59 AM »

Whites without a college degree. They're a large part of the electorate in both of these states, and Iowa has very few minorities to offset the gains Trump might be making among this particular demographic.

This plus the disappearance of many jobs in the manufacturing industry.
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« Reply #4 on: August 30, 2016, 09:20:33 AM »

Huh? Clinton is up 3-6 points in Ohio right now.
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« Reply #5 on: August 30, 2016, 09:26:20 AM »

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« Reply #6 on: August 30, 2016, 10:44:35 AM »

These are two different situations. Ohio has the rust belt appeal for trump that we've all debated and talked about quite a bit. In addition, Republicans generally do better there than nationally.

Iowa I believe was less expected to be strong for him. I don't know exactly why he's doing well out there. Over the weekend I traveled through southern Delaware (big agricultural region) and I noticed many farms with Trump signs - none for Hillary. Perhaps Trump has some appeal in the Ag industry?

Seems sort of odd since he threatened to deport a slice of their workforce (sorry), but I guess there's other factors at play here.
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« Reply #7 on: August 30, 2016, 10:58:57 AM »

Iowa also has more evangelicals then most other states.

Ohio seems to be in the same status as it was in 2012.
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« Reply #8 on: August 30, 2016, 11:27:50 AM »

These are two different situations. Ohio has the rust belt appeal for trump that we've all debated and talked about quite a bit. In addition, Republicans generally do better there than nationally.

Iowa I believe was less expected to be strong for him. I don't know exactly why he's doing well out there. Over the weekend I traveled through southern Delaware (big agricultural region) and I noticed many farms with Trump signs - none for Hillary. Perhaps Trump has some appeal in the Ag industry?

Seems sort of odd since he threatened to deport a slice of their workforce (sorry), but I guess there's other factors at play here.

IF Trump wins by about 5 (not that I'm predicting that), I could see Delaware being a surprise nailbiter.
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« Reply #9 on: August 30, 2016, 11:32:32 AM »

These are two different situations. Ohio has the rust belt appeal for trump that we've all debated and talked about quite a bit. In addition, Republicans generally do better there than nationally.

Iowa I believe was less expected to be strong for him. I don't know exactly why he's doing well out there. Over the weekend I traveled through southern Delaware (big agricultural region) and I noticed many farms with Trump signs - none for Hillary. Perhaps Trump has some appeal in the Ag industry?

Seems sort of odd since he threatened to deport a slice of their workforce (sorry), but I guess there's other factors at play here.

IF Trump wins by about 5 (not that I'm predicting that), I could see Delaware being a surprise nailbiter.

You can't be serious. Delaware has never been near that close to the national vote, and has shown 0 signs of trending Republican.
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« Reply #10 on: August 30, 2016, 11:38:35 AM »

These are two different situations. Ohio has the rust belt appeal for trump that we've all debated and talked about quite a bit. In addition, Republicans generally do better there than nationally.

Iowa I believe was less expected to be strong for him. I don't know exactly why he's doing well out there. Over the weekend I traveled through southern Delaware (big agricultural region) and I noticed many farms with Trump signs - none for Hillary. Perhaps Trump has some appeal in the Ag industry?

Seems sort of odd since he threatened to deport a slice of their workforce (sorry), but I guess there's other factors at play here.

IF Trump wins by about 5 (not that I'm predicting that), I could see Delaware being a surprise nailbiter.

You can't be serious. Delaware has never been near that close to the national vote, and has shown 0 signs of trending Republican.

Muh Sussex County aka Real Delaware of course.
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« Reply #11 on: August 30, 2016, 11:42:15 AM »

These are two different situations. Ohio has the rust belt appeal for trump that we've all debated and talked about quite a bit. In addition, Republicans generally do better there than nationally.

Iowa I believe was less expected to be strong for him. I don't know exactly why he's doing well out there. Over the weekend I traveled through southern Delaware (big agricultural region) and I noticed many farms with Trump signs - none for Hillary. Perhaps Trump has some appeal in the Ag industry?

Seems sort of odd since he threatened to deport a slice of their workforce (sorry), but I guess there's other factors at play here.

IF Trump wins by about 5 (not that I'm predicting that), I could see Delaware being a surprise nailbiter.

You can't be serious. Delaware has never been near that close to the national vote, and has shown 0 signs of trending Republican.

OK.  Kerry won Delaware by 9 in 2004, the last time someone from Delaware was not on the ballot.  That would suggest that Trump would have to win by 10-12 nationally to carry DE, but Trump is a better fit for the state than Bush, so I think an 8-point or so Trump victory could bring Delaware with it.
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« Reply #12 on: August 30, 2016, 12:12:05 PM »

These are two different situations. Ohio has the rust belt appeal for trump that we've all debated and talked about quite a bit. In addition, Republicans generally do better there than nationally.

Iowa I believe was less expected to be strong for him. I don't know exactly why he's doing well out there. Over the weekend I traveled through southern Delaware (big agricultural region) and I noticed many farms with Trump signs - none for Hillary. Perhaps Trump has some appeal in the Ag industry?

Seems sort of odd since he threatened to deport a slice of their workforce (sorry), but I guess there's other factors at play here.

IF Trump wins by about 5 (not that I'm predicting that), I could see Delaware being a surprise nailbiter.

You can't be serious. Delaware has never been near that close to the national vote, and has shown 0 signs of trending Republican.

OK.  Kerry won Delaware by 9 in 2004, the last time someone from Delaware was not on the ballot.  That would suggest that Trump would have to win by 10-12 nationally to carry DE, but Trump is a better fit for the state than Bush, so I think an 8-point or so Trump victory could bring Delaware with it.

Trump is not a good fit for a state that is largely urban and 20% African American. Sure, he'll win Sussex county, but Republicans always do. Trump will never win in a landslide, but he would need a double digit landslide to flip Delaware, or any state that solidly Democratic.
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« Reply #13 on: August 30, 2016, 12:22:17 PM »

So how is a Harvard grad black male doing better than a white woman with this 'uneducated whites'?
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« Reply #14 on: August 30, 2016, 02:10:39 PM »

So how is a Harvard grad black male doing better than a white woman with this 'uneducated whites'?

Because not every "uneducated white" is a racist like this forum thinks.
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« Reply #15 on: August 30, 2016, 03:20:44 PM »

So how is a Harvard grad black male doing better than a white woman with this 'uneducated whites'?

Because not every "uneducated white" is a racist like this forum thinks.
Maybe the best remark I've heard so far.

Really this board is sometimes so obsessed with demographics, especially of working class whites...jeez the days before the WV\KY primaries were ridiculous
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« Reply #16 on: August 30, 2016, 03:22:05 PM »

So how is a Harvard grad black male doing better than a white woman with this 'uneducated whites'?

Because not every "uneducated white" is a racist like this forum thinks.
They're sexists!
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