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« on: August 30, 2016, 04:00:18 PM »

Clinton has 291 campaign offices, Trump has 88





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« Reply #1 on: August 30, 2016, 04:09:44 PM »

So Wisconsin has 55 offices, Michigan 23 (Hillary), and Arizona only 3, Georgia 5. If so, the campaigns are anticipating a much tighter race than some of the conventional wisdom.
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« Reply #2 on: August 30, 2016, 04:10:23 PM »

This is a *somewhat * deceptive number.

Having worked in Dem campaigns, we place far more emphasis on field-oriented DVC (Direct Voter Contact, so doors and phones) to drive persuasion and turnout efforts, so we need a lot more offices and organizers. The GOP tends to focus on organizing (though they don't call it that because it would sound like they're dirty socialists) through pre-existing clubs and organizations (churches, Elks Clubs, etc), and besides that relying on Comms and direct mail.

That said, Trump is leaning into this division REALLY HARD. There were 30 people on his campaign in May. So it's partially just a strategic difference between the GOP and Democratic ground games, and partially Trump's (lack of) strategic thinking re: a ground game.
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« Reply #3 on: August 30, 2016, 04:13:35 PM »

Offices per EV:

Clinton:
New Hampshire: 4.3
Iowa: 4
Wisconsin: 3.3
Virginia: 2.2
Colorado: 2
North Carolina: 2
Ohio: 2
Pennsylvania: 1.8
Michigan: 1.4
Florida: 1.2
Nevada: 1
Arizona: 0.18
Utah: 0.17
Indiana: 0.09
Georgia: 0.06

Trump:
Wisconsin: 2.2
Iowa: 1.5
Virginia: 1.4
Nevada: 1
Colorado: 0.89
Ohio: 0.89
New Hampshire: 0.25
Georgia: 0.19
Arizona: 0.18
Utah: 0.17
Pennsylvania 0.1
Indiana: 0.09
Florida: 0.03
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« Reply #4 on: August 30, 2016, 04:14:58 PM »

Also, going by this, it looks like Trump isn't going for a FLOHPA strategy, but rather a path through Wisconsin.
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« Reply #5 on: August 30, 2016, 04:19:14 PM »

Trump is wasting his precious few resources on 33 campaign offices on Wisconsin where he is getting blown out! Sad!
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« Reply #6 on: August 30, 2016, 04:31:56 PM »

36-2 in the state that will decide this election? Is Trump trying to lose?
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« Reply #7 on: August 30, 2016, 04:45:56 PM »

36-2 in the state that will decide this election? Is Trump trying to lose?

Once again, a deficit of field offices for the GOP isn't *necessarily * a bad thing for the GOP candidate.

Offices aren't a commodity, for a weird analogy. They aren't equal and identical in function. You can't just compare their number 1:1 and assume that each candidate is getting the same amount of benefit out of them.
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« Reply #8 on: August 30, 2016, 05:09:55 PM »

36-2 in the state that will decide this election? Is Trump trying to lose?

Once again, a deficit of field offices for the GOP isn't *necessarily * a bad thing for the GOP candidate.

Offices aren't a commodity, for a weird analogy. They aren't equal and identical in function. You can't just compare their number 1:1 and assume that each candidate is getting the same amount of benefit out of them.

That's true, and a difference on the order of 36-20 probably wouldn't be significant.  But 36-2 in a key state?
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« Reply #9 on: August 30, 2016, 05:18:26 PM »

36-2 in the state that will decide this election? Is Trump trying to lose?

Once again, a deficit of field offices for the GOP isn't *necessarily * a bad thing for the GOP candidate.

Offices aren't a commodity, for a weird analogy. They aren't equal and identical in function. You can't just compare their number 1:1 and assume that each candidate is getting the same amount of benefit out of them.

That's true, and a difference on the order of 36-20 probably wouldn't be significant.  But 36-2 in a key state?

Absolutely true (see my first post, I do think there's a problem here for Trump 2016). But it isn't necessarily *ludicrous * if he's, say, relying on the Toomey campaign to drive turnout and then running ads on top of that. Stupid, but not ludicrous.
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« Reply #10 on: August 30, 2016, 05:51:15 PM »

Clinton has a campaign office in St. Louis, Missouri.

http://www.stltoday.com/news/local/govt-and-politics/hillary-clinton-st-louis-hq-opens/collection_3c29ffc0-77fb-560c-b5e7-895959f815f5.html
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« Reply #11 on: August 30, 2016, 06:05:21 PM »

WTH Trump?

The WI strategy... even with CO and NV. Does. Not. Win.
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« Reply #12 on: August 30, 2016, 06:08:08 PM »

1 office in Florida???   Wtf Trump?
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« Reply #13 on: August 30, 2016, 06:23:25 PM »
« Edited: August 30, 2016, 06:28:01 PM by Arch »

WTH Trump?

The WI strategy... even with CO and NV. Does. Not. Win.

LOL, so many offices in WI, in a state that's impossible for him.
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« Reply #14 on: August 30, 2016, 06:25:16 PM »

That is factually correct but Trump also has an office in St. Louis
http://www.stltoday.com/news/local/govt-and-politics/clinton-trump-both-set-up-missouri-campaign-offices/article_7c44668d-4fa4-5355-aa46-d20fad150e01.html
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« Reply #15 on: August 30, 2016, 06:33:42 PM »

This article is factually incorrect:

Trump has 4 offices in PA
http://www.mcall.com/news/nationworld/pennsylvania/capitol-ideas/mc-trump-campaign-opens-lackawanna-county-office-20160830-story.html

Trump opened 25 Florida offices last week alone
http://www.npr.org/2016/08/24/491242719/trump-clinton-campaigns-rapidly-open-field-offices-in-florida

Trump opened 3 mobile offices across the State of Florida last week
http://orlando-politics.com/2016/08/26/donald-trump-mobile-office-stops-in-downtown-orlando/

Trump has opened 3 offices in Israel
http://m.jpost.com/US-Elections/Donald-Trump/Third-Israeli-Trump-campaign-office-opens-in-Tel-Avivs-Diamond-District-466130#article=161847NjcyODJCMjMxMDgyQ0Y0N0NGMjBCOTU1MTI5QkFEOTQ=

We are opening an office in Hudson, Massachusetts this weekend
http://www.masslive.com/politics/index.ssf/2016/08/donald_trump_opens_republican.html

Also, the article fails to mention that the Trump campaign is also running out of local republican offices in states like NC, VA, NH, OH, WI, NV. As somebody who is volunteering for the Trump campaign and contacting volunteers across the country this is factually incorrect. The campaign will be opening offices in hopefully all 50 states.
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« Reply #16 on: August 30, 2016, 06:40:24 PM »
« Edited: August 30, 2016, 06:43:53 PM by Alcon »

So Wisconsin has 55 offices, Michigan 23 (Hillary), and Arizona only 3, Georgia 5. If so, the campaigns are anticipating a much tighter race than some of the conventional wisdom.

Not necessarily.  Keep in mind that offices aren't fluid things that can be opened and organized within an instant.  Neither campaign wants an inefficient allocation of resources assuming the race is tight, which is the case in which efficiency matters most.  Considering this, it makes sense to invest heavily in tipping-point states even if they don't appear to be swing states at this point -- better than scrambling if the race does tighten.
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