If you were a Muslim woman, would you wear a hijab?
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« Reply #50 on: September 04, 2016, 09:37:40 PM »

If I were a Muslim woman, I'd be too busy being absolutely beautiful to join this useless forum and answer your inane questions.

That's actually a pretty good answer. Although it also implies that you wouldn't wear one.

Excuse me!? *slap*

Arab and especially Persian women usually have beautiful hair though. Obscuring that with a hijab is pretty wrong and repressive. Not that most Arab and Persian-American women do of course.

I'm not fond of arguments that hijab is oppressive in general (although I also don't buy that it's intrinsically liberating; it strikes me as one of those things that is what you make of it), but at least such arguments tend to be more valid than 'if part of a woman is physically attractive, it's wrong and repressive to cover it'.

Human beauty is an expression of God's goodness, and teaching people that they should be ashamed of their beauty is immoral.

Is that a more valid argument?

Yes, except for the fact that it presupposes that hijabi women are or should be acting out of shame. Surely some are--again, I don't buy the 'hijabi is intrinsically liberating and secretly feminist!' argument either--but it hardly strikes me as fair to claim that all are.
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« Reply #51 on: September 05, 2016, 03:46:25 AM »

Besides, the idea that human beauty is an expression of God's goodness has very disturbing implications.
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« Reply #52 on: September 05, 2016, 05:08:51 AM »

Seeing as how there's documentation of writing of the beauty of Persian women going back millenia from all cultures that interacted with Persia I'd say it's rather universally held.

Ancient/medieval travellers always say that, mainly because they spent so long without any woman that anything would look like the most sexy thing ever after a long journey. Heck, they thought dugongs were alluring sirens.
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« Reply #53 on: September 05, 2016, 10:27:31 AM »

BRTD, your thread is bad, all your posts in it have been bad and you're a really bad progressive. Even worse of one than people like me who aren't even trying that hard. 
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« Reply #54 on: September 05, 2016, 03:53:07 PM »
« Edited: September 05, 2016, 03:55:54 PM by Mopsus »

Human beauty is an expression of God's goodness, and teaching people that they should be ashamed of their beauty is immoral.

Is that a more valid argument?

Yes, except for the fact that it presupposes that hijabi women are or should be acting out of shame. Surely some are--again, I don't buy the 'hijabi is intrinsically liberating and secretly feminist!' argument either--but it hardly strikes me as fair to claim that all are.

I'm sure the hijab can serve as a Muslim equivalent to the crucifix or the yarmulke, but the fact that it's only worn by women, and that it's specifically designed to cover parts of women's bodies that man find attractive, leads to me to believe that symbolism is more of a secondary factor.

Besides, the idea that human beauty is an expression of God's goodness has very disturbing implications.

Perhaps... but I can only think of positives.
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« Reply #55 on: September 05, 2016, 04:33:43 PM »

Besides, the idea that human beauty is an expression of God's goodness has very disturbing implications.

Perhaps... but I can only think of positives.

Really?
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« Reply #56 on: September 05, 2016, 04:43:16 PM »

Besides, the idea that human beauty is an expression of God's goodness has very disturbing implications.

Perhaps... but I can only think of positives.

Really?

I suppose that a cynical person could accuse unattractive people of being cursed by heaven, but then one would just have to point out that only good things flow from God.

If a person is physically ugly, it's a punishment for sin (slothfulness, gluttony, lust), or the persecution of Satan.
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« Reply #57 on: September 05, 2016, 09:06:47 PM »

If a person is physically ugly, it's a punishment for sin (slothfulness, gluttony, lust), or the persecution of Satan.

That's ridiculous.
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« Reply #58 on: September 05, 2016, 09:19:24 PM »

If a person is physically ugly, it's a punishment for sin (slothfulness, gluttony, lust), or the persecution of Satan.

That's ridiculous.

The fact that you think so means that you haven't let Satan tempt you into vanity.

+1 for you, my friend.
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« Reply #59 on: September 05, 2016, 11:44:40 PM »

If a person is physically ugly, it's a punishment for sin (slothfulness, gluttony, lust), or the persecution of Satan.

That's ridiculous.

The fact that you think so means that you haven't let Satan tempt you into vanity.

+1 for you, my friend.

I don't think that's what it means.
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« Reply #60 on: September 06, 2016, 06:48:17 AM »

If a person is physically ugly, it's a punishment for sin (slothfulness, gluttony, lust), or the persecution of Satan.

That's ridiculous.

The fact that you think so means that you haven't let Satan tempt you into vanity.

+1 for you, my friend.

I don't think that's what it means.

I was trying to be optimistic.
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« Reply #61 on: September 06, 2016, 07:00:30 AM »

^ The sage is strong in this one.
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« Reply #62 on: September 06, 2016, 12:47:08 PM »


That cuts deep, bro.
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« Reply #63 on: September 06, 2016, 12:51:18 PM »

Besides, the idea that human beauty is an expression of God's goodness has very disturbing implications.

Perhaps... but I can only think of positives.

Really?

I suppose that a cynical person could accuse unattractive people of being cursed by heaven, but then one would just have to point out that only good things flow from God.

If a person is physically ugly, it's a punishment for sin (slothfulness, gluttony, lust), or the persecution of Satan.

Hmm, interesting that you'd say that.

Does being able to afford to get work done in the name of beauty a sign of the morals of capitalism? Those who produce, the most moral?
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« Reply #64 on: September 06, 2016, 03:08:04 PM »

Besides, the idea that human beauty is an expression of God's goodness has very disturbing implications.

Perhaps... but I can only think of positives.

Really?

I suppose that a cynical person could accuse unattractive people of being cursed by heaven, but then one would just have to point out that only good things flow from God.

If a person is physically ugly, it's a punishment for sin (slothfulness, gluttony, lust), or the persecution of Satan.

Hmm, interesting that you'd say that.

Does being able to afford to get work done in the name of beauty a sign of the morals of capitalism? Those who produce, the most moral?

Producing beauty may be humanity's purest moral action, as it brings unequivocal joy into the lives of others. Historically, a certain economic necessity has put a stop to the infinite multiplication of the beautiful, but in an ideal world, "those who produce" would be a synonym for "those who produce beauty"; one of the crimes of capitalism is that it perpetuates an artificial poverty, thereby putting off the realization of such a world. 
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« Reply #65 on: September 06, 2016, 09:28:45 PM »

You know, I do recall years ago that Scott (on his original account) said that he's from a mixed marriage and even if he was raised Catholic he would've almost certainly converted to Protestantism later. And no one screamed at him "but that's ridiculous to say, how could you possibly know that?!" sort of things.
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« Reply #66 on: September 06, 2016, 10:17:40 PM »

You know, I do recall years ago that Scott (on his original account) said that he's from a mixed marriage and even if he was raised Catholic he would've almost certainly converted to Protestantism later. And no one screamed at him "but that's ridiculous to say, how could you possibly know that?!" sort of things.

That's a bit closer to Scott's actual experience than being a Muslim woman is to yours.
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« Reply #67 on: January 29, 2021, 07:12:52 PM »

This is the weirdest BRTD thread.
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« Reply #68 on: January 29, 2021, 07:35:05 PM »


I think a better question would be: “Why was this thread made in the first place?”
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« Reply #69 on: January 29, 2021, 07:37:05 PM »


I think a better question would be: “Why was this thread made in the first place?”

Is it really much different than the countless "If you lived in *different country* what party would you vote for threads?
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« Reply #70 on: January 29, 2021, 07:47:23 PM »


I think a better question would be: “Why was this thread made in the first place?”

Is it really much different than the countless "If you lived in *different country* what party would you vote for threads?
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« Reply #71 on: January 29, 2021, 07:48:57 PM »

I genuinely have no idea.  If I lived in a country where it was done, perhaps I would but since I am not in that situation and have never been in it I cannot give any good answer to this question.
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« Reply #72 on: January 29, 2021, 07:49:31 PM »

I definitely would.

Btw, you had a great display name.
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« Reply #73 on: January 29, 2021, 07:50:17 PM »

Gosh, if only you guys had Dule's BRTD thread post back in the day. It would have made your lives so much better.
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« Reply #74 on: January 29, 2021, 08:56:42 PM »

Assuming I still lived in my country, where there's no requirement for it, then probably, on occasion. For one, it still doesn't carry the same heavily oppresive connotations of the Burqa in many parts of the world.
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