Who would you vote for: a social justice warrior or a white nationalist?

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Really, people?

#killallwhitepeople and #killallmen were big things on Twitter and Tumblr for a while. That and #diecisscum.

http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/uknews/11633305/University-union-officer-who-wrote-kill-all-white-men-tweet-will-remain-in-post.html
http://archive.is/e5MMR
http://i.imgur.com/GEdWK54.png?1?9702
http://imgur.com/LnJoWG4
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=RC-Cqkq6zWc
http://i.imgur.com/QGrrQrh.png
http://archive.is/G16FG
http://benstudios.tumblr.com/post/49246479579/radastheyscum-militantbyexistence
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=br9ATZubcVE
http://www.breitbart.com/london/2015/04/17/kill-all-men-lib-dem-activist-in-hate-speech-scandal/
http://go-jessica-smalls-me.tumblr.com/post/109705091722/kill-all-men
http://i.imgur.com/jYG3nQo.jpg
http://imgur.com/QTu2PHJ
https://imgur.com/fx0BMXL
https://www.washingtonpost.com/world/national-security/police-in-dallas-he-wanted-to-kill-white-people-especially-white-officers/2016/07/08/fe66fe52-4553-11e6-88d0-6adee48be8bc_story.html
http://archive.is/Ofj00
http://askaradfem.tumblr.com/post/110654489802/how-do-you-feel-about-the-lady-who-aborted-a-fetus

I could go on, but hey, maybe it's all just excessive hyperbole. Who cares if you'd be crucified for saying the same thing about any other group? Whatever. I don't want any of it. It's toxic filth.

Omg why are you so politically correct?

Also that last link is literally a radfem page who loathe standard SJWs. (In fact they share your views on trans people iirc, so maybe you're less different than you think). Also hilariously it appears to be run by a 15-16 year old.

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Does this thread serve any purpose other than trying to get people into saying they would vote for the white nationalist?

ome people just take their hatred of them to an unhealthy extreme.

Sounds like most SJWs.

One side is a bit overdramatic. The other advocates the inherent superiority of a race over the other. Clearly that's a very tough choice.

Err... SJW's regularly advocate for the genocide (or at least oppression) of white men... I have zero qualms about voting against a bloc that actively hates my demographic and believes we're responsible for all the evil in the world.

I have literally never seen that happen.

Edit: having read your comment, I have seen that there are a few examples from A: Breitbart, B: Tabloids, and C: A tiny amount of psychos on the internet. Until those links I never saw anything of the sort.

Where do you think SJWs reside? They're almost entirely a Twitter/Tumblr/internet/college campus phenomenon (for now, at least).

Have you taken your meds today ? Praying for you xxxc

meds and prayer are funny. hurr durr.  wtf kind of response is that?

[Edu]

[Grumpier Than Thou]

This might be my favorite post you've ever made.

[TheDeadFlagBlues]

Anyways, most "kill all white men" content is clearly driven by 4chan trolls and is not even remotely reflective of actual viewpoints held by normal millennials who are on the left. "SJW" stereotypes are rarely Democrats and rarely vote and, insofar as they embrace coherent ideologies, tend to embrace Communism.

Basically: who care.

[Associate Justice PiT]

Anyways, most "kill all white men" content is clearly driven by 4chan trolls and is not even remotely reflective of actual viewpoints held by normal millennials who are on the left. "SJW" stereotypes are rarely Democrats and rarely vote and, insofar as they embrace coherent ideologies, tend to embrace Communism.

Basically: who care.

     So your point is that...SJWs are nutter-butters that should be discounted? This post makes the case for the equivalence between SJWs and white nationalists quite well.

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This is the second-worst series of arguments/behavior from realisticidealist in any thread I've seen, after the one where (IIRC and I apologize if I'm conflating him with another poster) he was a Dubai apologist.

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Alt-right filth like white nationalists changed my opinion of SJWs, who I used to despise before this election cycle. Obviously an SJW.

I still despise SJWs, but I didn't know much about the alt-right before this election and thought they were just conservatives who had sort of withdrawn from mainstream culture and created their own. I thought of them as allies. I'm glad I know more about them now. Now, I still despise SJWs but also despise the alt-right.

[Ljube]

SJW easily.

[they don't love you like i love you]

This is the second-worst series of arguments/behavior from realisticidealist in any thread I've seen, after the one where (IIRC and I apologize if I'm conflating him with another poster) he was a Dubai apologist.

The worst thing is most of the people he's citing are actually separatist feminists or black nationalists, not SJWs.

[Edu]

This is the second-worst series of arguments/behavior from realisticidealist in any thread I've seen, after the one where (IIRC and I apologize if I'm conflating him with another poster) he was a Dubai apologist.

Yes

[Mopsus]

This is a very loaded question.  To what extreme are these fellows?  Social justice is a good thing but is used in bad ways like promoting the dangers of socialism and communism.  White nationalism has no place in this country.

No, social justice is not a good thing. Social justice is collectivism - it's all about the rights of the collective, not the rights of the individual. Social justice is incompatible with American values and traditions.

"values and traditions" is the epitome of collectivism, bud.

[they don't love you like i love you]

This might be my favorite post you've ever made.

I was expecting people to reply saying they didn't know which group those guys are and they look like they easily could be either.

[RI]

Clearly my definition of SJW varies from the leftist posters on this forum, because everything I've said is true. Sure, generic progressives (including people like Uygur as posted in the other thread) aren't anti-white male nutjobs, but it is a real phenomenon. There is a real, visceral hatred out there that is anchored in extreme rhetoric. I'm not making it up.

And yes, I like Dubai. I have a slight authoritarian high modernist streak in me. I like big cities, big construction and engineering feats from an aesthetic standpoint. I don't care what any of you think.

[Antonio the Sixth]

Clearly my definition of SJW varies from the leftist posters on this forum, because everything I've said is true. Sure, generic progressives (including people like Uygur as posted in the other thread) aren't anti-white male nutjobs, but it is a real phenomenon. There is a real, visceral hatred out there that is anchored in extreme rhetoric. I'm not making it up.

No there's not. These are a handful of trolls on the internet, not real people.

And yes, I like Dubai. I have a slight authoritarian high modernist streak in me. I like big cities, big construction and engineering feats from an aesthetic standpoint. I don't care what any of you think.

The point is that you clearly have no clue what you're talking about regarding the literal slave labor that's used to build them.

[RI]

Clearly my definition of SJW varies from the leftist posters on this forum, because everything I've said is true. Sure, generic progressives (including people like Uygur as posted in the other thread) aren't anti-white male nutjobs, but it is a real phenomenon. There is a real, visceral hatred out there that is anchored in extreme rhetoric. I'm not making it up.

No there's not. These are a handful of trolls on the internet, not real people.

People on the internet are real people, unless you think bots are the cause of these things.

The point is that you clearly have no clue what you're talking about regarding the literal slave labor that's used to build them.

I don't see how the methods used should affect aesthetic appreciation of the final result.

[President Punxsutawney Phil]

And yes, I like Dubai. I have a slight authoritarian high modernist streak in me. I like big cities, big construction and engineering feats from an aesthetic standpoint. I don't care what any of you think.

The point is that you clearly have no clue what you're talking about regarding the literal slave labor that's used to build them.

Uh, isn't literal slave labor really off the mark? Obviously they pay those workers...

[Associate Justice PiT]

Clearly my definition of SJW varies from the leftist posters on this forum, because everything I've said is true. Sure, generic progressives (including people like Uygur as posted in the other thread) aren't anti-white male nutjobs, but it is a real phenomenon. There is a real, visceral hatred out there that is anchored in extreme rhetoric. I'm not making it up.

No there's not. These are a handful of trolls on the internet, not real people.

People on the internet are real people, unless you think bots are the cause of these things.

     It's also probably relevant that most universities across the United States have classes and departments that teach slightly tamer versions of SJW content. Sure they're probably not saying "kill all men" at Cal, but the idea that SJWism does not exist off the internet is hilarious. I remember when one of my Physics classmates told me in horror about another class he took where the professor was preaching "racial brotherhood in opposition to the white man".

[Antonio the Sixth]

And yes, I like Dubai. I have a slight authoritarian high modernist streak in me. I like big cities, big construction and engineering feats from an aesthetic standpoint. I don't care what any of you think.

The point is that you clearly have no clue what you're talking about regarding the literal slave labor that's used to build them.

Uh, isn't literal slave labor really off the mark? Obviously they pay those workers...

If you can't leave a "job" without incurring harsh sentences, then it's slavery, plain and simple.

[President Punxsutawney Phil]

And yes, I like Dubai. I have a slight authoritarian high modernist streak in me. I like big cities, big construction and engineering feats from an aesthetic standpoint. I don't care what any of you think.

The point is that you clearly have no clue what you're talking about regarding the literal slave labor that's used to build them.

Uh, isn't literal slave labor really off the mark? Obviously they pay those workers...

If you can't leave a "job" without incurring harsh sentences, then it's slavery, plain and simple.

I guess we generally follow different definitions of slavery.
Your use of that definition is legitimate but I would try to use more variety.
(I personally don't take what American and European media say as 100% gospel because though they try, they don't fully understand everything that goes on in the region. You obviously think differently and I respect that.)

[Antonio the Sixth]

(I personally don't take what American and European media say as 100% gospel because though they try, they don't fully understand everything that goes on in the region. You obviously think differently and I respect that.)

There is a lot that European media doesn't understand, but oversensitivity to human rights abuse is not one of their issues.

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(I personally don't take what American and European media say as 100% gospel because though they try, they don't fully understand everything that goes on in the region. You obviously think differently and I respect that.)

There is a lot that European media doesn't understand, but oversensitivity to human rights abuse is not one of their issues.

But in other cultures slavery is OK!

[Cory]

No there's not. These are a handful of trolls on the internet, not real people.

https://yourlogicalfallacyis.com/no-true-scotsman

You made what could be called an appeal to purity as a way to dismiss relevant criticisms or flaws of your argument.

In this form of faulty reasoning one's belief is rendered unfalsifiable because no matter how compelling the evidence is, one simply shifts the goalposts so that it wouldn't apply to a supposedly 'true' example. This kind of post-rationalization is a way of avoiding valid criticisms of one's argument.

Seriously, can we stop with this outright denial? I'm not saying these people are some kind of massive movement but they are a problem on some college campuses. They form lynch mobs against anyone they suspect of being problematic under the guise of "call out culture", and deliberately seek out the most ridiculous things to be massively offended by. It's like those morons at Yale who got offended and made a scene yelling and screaming about fuking Halloween costumes. But I suppose they were just live action twitter accounts "from 4chan", and not "real people".

But I guess if I had to choose between the two I would vote for the SJW, but that could depend on if it was an extreme SJW (Dworkin types) as opposed to a more "moderate" White Nationalist (Trump types). But if they were equally extreme then I would have to and vote for the SJW.

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I know it's hard for meatheads like Cory et al, but can people stop being stupid here for like ten seconds and actually use their brains? Obviously there are some nasty, terrible SJW's. Nobody is denying that. But there are many 'SJW's' (dare I say, the majority) who are concerned with altogether decent, sensible things. Racism. Poverty. Homophobia. Sexism. Pretty much everybody on this forum (fringes aside) would agree these are bad things and to be against them is uncontroversial. Sure, blue avatars may dislike the methods, or the semantics, or the angry language, or weird focuses on misogyny in Doctor Who episodes or whatever; but I don't think any people on this forum would ever say that racism (etc) are good things, or that being concerned with issues related to social justice is inherentlya bad thing.

With this on mind, I can barely comprehend this ridiculous equivalency between self proclaimed SJWs and selfproclaimed white nationalists. It would be one thing if the title was "alt right" vs "SJWs" because both groups could hypothetically be considered broad churches of moderates and bizarro weirdos. But white nationalists are not a broad church. They're actually a very narrow church. Comprised of freaking white nationalists! An idealogy that is objectively terrible to anybody with an understanding of contemporary morality!

[Rules for me, but not for thee]

The white nationalist will curtail rights in theory for everyone not white.

The SJW will curtail rights for everyone, including ironically themselves.