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« on: September 04, 2016, 03:37:13 PM »

He would've supported Obama in the 2008 primary and probably Sanders this year, but would be a staunch supporter of Hillary now.
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« Reply #1 on: September 04, 2016, 03:38:40 PM »

He'd probably have been executed after having murdered a racist cop in Texas or something. Tongue
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« Reply #2 on: September 04, 2016, 03:52:50 PM »

John Brown and Abe Lincoln would be absolutely heartbroken and disgusted at what has happened to the Republican party. The party of civil rights is now the party of white nationalism, sad!
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« Reply #3 on: September 04, 2016, 03:54:02 PM »

John Brown?! Seriously? This question is bad and you should feel bad.
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« Reply #4 on: September 04, 2016, 04:22:25 PM »

John Brown was also an extremely religious man who would certainly be uncomfortable with some of the positions held by the modern Democratic Party. But, the question is moot in any case, because...

♪John Brown's body lies a-mouldering in the grave...♪
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« Reply #5 on: September 04, 2016, 05:14:43 PM »

He'd probably have been executed after having murdered a racist cop in Texas or something. Tongue

What, right after shooting an African-American (as indeed happened in his pitiful little assault on Harpers Ferry)?
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« Reply #6 on: September 04, 2016, 05:20:25 PM »

John Brown was also an extremely religious man who would certainly be uncomfortable with some of the positions held by the modern Democratic Party. But, the question is moot in any case, because...

♪John Brown's body lies a-mouldering in the grave...♪

Yes, anyone trying to compare today's politics to any time between 1840ish and 1940ish needs to account for the religious left movement that basically no longer exists. 

William Jennings Bryan is of course the classic flummoxing example of this.
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« Reply #7 on: September 04, 2016, 05:20:46 PM »

John Brown isn't you, BRTD.
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« Reply #8 on: September 04, 2016, 05:50:54 PM »

John Brown was also an extremely religious man who would certainly be uncomfortable with some of the positions held by the modern Democratic Party. But, the question is moot in any case, because...

♪John Brown's body lies a-mouldering in the grave...♪

Yes, anyone trying to compare today's politics to any time between 1840ish and 1940ish needs to account for the religious left movement that basically no longer exists. 

Huh? You should see some of my friends' Facebook feeds.
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« Reply #9 on: September 04, 2016, 05:55:53 PM »

His father would probably #StandBehindHillary
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« Reply #10 on: September 04, 2016, 07:33:03 PM »

I'm more interested in who RON Brown would have voted for if he was alive today.
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« Reply #11 on: September 04, 2016, 07:36:31 PM »

John Brown and Abe Lincoln would be absolutely heartbroken and disgusted at what has happened to the Republican party. The party of civil rights is now the party of white nationalism, sad!

Brown actually detested the GOP because he viewed them as Garrisonian cowards who weren't willing to take on the plantation owners.
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« Reply #12 on: September 04, 2016, 07:50:08 PM »

Castle mostly because of social issues.
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« Reply #13 on: September 04, 2016, 08:08:24 PM »

John Brown was also an extremely religious man who would certainly be uncomfortable with some of the positions held by the modern Democratic Party. But, the question is moot in any case, because...

♪John Brown's body lies a-mouldering in the grave...♪

Yes, anyone trying to compare today's politics to any time between 1840ish and 1940ish needs to account for the religious left movement that basically no longer exists. 

Huh? You should see some of my friends' Facebook feeds.

The irony is so rich that it's painful...
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« Reply #14 on: September 04, 2016, 10:28:16 PM »

John Brown and Abe Lincoln would be absolutely heartbroken and disgusted at what has happened to the Republican party. The party of civil rights is now the party of white nationalism, sad!

Brown actually detested the GOP because he viewed them as Garrisonian cowards who weren't willing to take on the plantation owners.
Yeah, by all accounts he's the type BRTD would despise for being a True Leftist
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« Reply #15 on: September 04, 2016, 11:41:50 PM »
« Edited: September 05, 2016, 09:53:21 AM by Simfan34 »

John Brown was also an extremely religious man who would certainly be uncomfortable with some of the positions held by the modern Democratic Party. But, the question is moot in any case, because...

♪John Brown's body lies a-mouldering in the grave...♪

Yes, anyone trying to compare today's politics to any time between 1840ish and 1940ish needs to account for the religious left movement that basically no longer exists. 

Huh? You should see some of my friends' Facebook feeds.

In what ways do their religious beliefs affect their political views, and where do those beliefs lead to divergences from the standard liberal secular orthodoxy?
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« Reply #16 on: September 05, 2016, 01:15:21 AM »

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« Reply #17 on: September 05, 2016, 11:23:03 PM »

John Brown was also an extremely religious man who would certainly be uncomfortable with some of the positions held by the modern Democratic Party. But, the question is moot in any case, because...

♪John Brown's body lies a-mouldering in the grave...♪

Yes, anyone trying to compare today's politics to any time between 1840ish and 1940ish needs to account for the religious left movement that basically no longer exists. 

Huh? You should see some of my friends' Facebook feeds.

In what ways do their religious beliefs affect their political views, and where do those beliefs lead to divergences from the standard liberal secular orthodoxy?

They're basically just standard liberals who also have a lot of "I love Jesus!" stuff as well, but a lot of times they'll promote their liberalism and what Jesus taught.
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« Reply #18 on: September 05, 2016, 11:51:10 PM »

John Brown was also an extremely religious man who would certainly be uncomfortable with some of the positions held by the modern Democratic Party. But, the question is moot in any case, because...

♪John Brown's body lies a-mouldering in the grave...♪

Yes, anyone trying to compare today's politics to any time between 1840ish and 1940ish needs to account for the religious left movement that basically no longer exists. 

William Jennings Bryan is of course the classic flummoxing example of this.

Yes, and I could see it coming back circa 2030, particularly if the Republicans go full Trump from this point forward.

God, I hope so.

John Brown was also an extremely religious man who would certainly be uncomfortable with some of the positions held by the modern Democratic Party. But, the question is moot in any case, because...

♪John Brown's body lies a-mouldering in the grave...♪

Yes, anyone trying to compare today's politics to any time between 1840ish and 1940ish needs to account for the religious left movement that basically no longer exists.  

Huh? You should see some of my friends' Facebook feeds.

In what ways do their religious beliefs affect their political views, and where do those beliefs lead to divergences from the standard liberal secular orthodoxy?

They're basically just standard liberals who also have a lot of "I love Jesus!" stuff as well, but a lot of times they'll promote their liberalism and what Jesus taught.

So the answer is 'insignificantly and nowhere'?
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« Reply #19 on: September 06, 2016, 12:28:01 AM »

John Brown wouldn't be voting, he'd have had his suffrage stripped due to felony conviction after he decided to try to shoot up a federal base.
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« Reply #20 on: September 06, 2016, 12:40:49 AM »

John Brown was also an extremely religious man who would certainly be uncomfortable with some of the positions held by the modern Democratic Party. But, the question is moot in any case, because...

♪John Brown's body lies a-mouldering in the grave...♪

Yes, anyone trying to compare today's politics to any time between 1840ish and 1940ish needs to account for the religious left movement that basically no longer exists.  

William Jennings Bryan is of course the classic flummoxing example of this.

Yes, and I could see it coming back circa 2030, particularly if the Republicans go full Trump from this point forward.

God, I hope so.

John Brown was also an extremely religious man who would certainly be uncomfortable with some of the positions held by the modern Democratic Party. But, the question is moot in any case, because...

♪John Brown's body lies a-mouldering in the grave...♪

Yes, anyone trying to compare today's politics to any time between 1840ish and 1940ish needs to account for the religious left movement that basically no longer exists.  

Huh? You should see some of my friends' Facebook feeds.

In what ways do their religious beliefs affect their political views, and where do those beliefs lead to divergences from the standard liberal secular orthodoxy?

They're basically just standard liberals who also have a lot of "I love Jesus!" stuff as well, but a lot of times they'll promote their liberalism and what Jesus taught.

So the answer is 'insignificantly and nowhere'?

I'd hardly say insignificantly seeing as how many rave about how Trump isn't a Christian and Hillary is, just like many labeled Romney a heretic and non-Christian. So how are they not religious left?
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« Reply #21 on: September 06, 2016, 01:12:14 AM »

Okay but are their views substantively changed or inflected from what they would otherwise be because they are Christian?
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« Reply #22 on: September 06, 2016, 03:45:54 AM »

People tend to forget how left the parties have travelled. Brown would vote Republican because Republicans are more prolife. He might also stay home because he doesn't feel well represented by either party.
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« Reply #23 on: September 06, 2016, 06:57:15 AM »

Cornel West.
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« Reply #24 on: September 06, 2016, 08:12:45 PM »

Okay but are their views substantively changed or inflected from what they would otherwise be because they are Christian?

Impossible to know.

But for example what about Rachel Held Evans?
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