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« on: September 05, 2016, 02:00:28 PM »

I think we can all agree the most important swing states this year, due to their combination of size and closeness to the national vote, are Pennsylvania, Ohio, and Florida. Any candidate who can win at least two out of these three will have a good chance of getting elected, and a sweep of all three makes victory almost assured, as I will lay out below. I'll outline the most plausible victory scenarios for the candidate who loses a majority of them which will help make clear their importance. I'm using the current fivethirtyeight.com polls-plus model ranking of states to help determine the rank order of the rest of the states on the D-R scale.

One scenario I won't consider, due to its implausibility, is that Trump wins Pennsylvania while Clinton wins Ohio. Pennsylvania has been more Democratic than Ohio for decades, and there is no reason to think that won't be true again this year. The states are demographically similar enough that the odds of them moving in opposite directions over the next two months are remote.

If Clinton sweeps the Big Three, she'll be extremely likely to win. If we assume that Michigan will also continue to be more Democratic than Ohio and thus that Clinton will also take Michigan (an even safer assumption than Pennsylvania IMO), Trump would have to pull off this nearly impossible map (he'd probably win at least Maine's second district and possibly the state itself as well but both are unnecessary):



If Trump swept the Big Three, on the other hand, he'd be very likely to win, though Clinton's chances are a little better of surviving such a sweep than Trump's would be. She'd have to create this unlikely, albeit not entirely implausible map:



Where it starts to get interesting is if the Big Three split with two for one candidate and one for the other.

If Clinton won Pennsylvania and Florida, but Trump won Ohio, Clinton would still have a pretty solid advantage. Trump would need the following map, which while not inconceivable is pretty unlikely (Nevada would probably go for Trump also but would be unnecessary):



If Trump took Florida and Ohio, while Clinton won Pennsylvania, the election would probably be very close, and could go either way. Clinton would need this map:



Clinton winning Pennsylvania and Ohio would still leave her firmly in the driver's seat, even if Trump won Florida, although Trump has a better chance than if he won Ohio instead of Florida. He'd need this (he'd probably win Maine's second district, but wouldn't need it):



Finally, Trump's uniqueness as a candidate makes possible that he wins Pennsylvania and Ohio but that Clinton wins Florida. Clinton would have to be considered a narrow favorite if this happens (which helps show how important Florida is--the biggest of the Big Three). She could win with this map:

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« Reply #1 on: September 05, 2016, 02:03:21 PM »

I said this before and will say it again....Hillary will win with Obama 2012+ NC
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« Reply #2 on: September 05, 2016, 02:20:09 PM »

You forgot this one:



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Clinton 268
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« Reply #3 on: September 05, 2016, 02:49:31 PM »

Pennsylvania is NOT a swing state no matter how many times the media claims it is. It's not a "swing" state if a 27-year old was not alive the last time the Republican Party won it.
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« Reply #4 on: September 05, 2016, 02:54:16 PM »

You forgot this one:



Trump 270
Clinton 268

That's my exact map right now.
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« Reply #5 on: September 05, 2016, 03:00:35 PM »
« Edited: September 05, 2016, 03:02:49 PM by Nym90 »

You forgot this one:



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That would also work for Trump to win without PA, but fivethirtyeight considers NH and NV both closer than WI.
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« Reply #6 on: September 05, 2016, 03:06:15 PM »
« Edited: September 05, 2016, 03:08:05 PM by Zyzz »

Pennsylvania is NOT a swing state no matter how many times the media claims it is. It's not a "swing" state if a 27-year old was not alive the last time the Republican Party won it.

PA has exhibited a worrisome trend towards the Republicans in the last 2 elections though. As much as Democrats talk about VA trending left, PA has trended right, at least temporarily. In 2004, Bush won nationally by 2.5 points, and lost PA by 2.5, making it D+5. In 2008 it was D+4, and then it was a pitiful D+1 in 2012 compared to the national average. If Romney had won by a mere 2.5 points nationally like Bush did, then he would have won PA. Republicans losing PA so much is mostly a factor of them being so pathetic and radioactive at the national level, having lost the PV in the last 5/6 elections. It is great to see PA being so solidly in Hillary's corner. She is  better fit for the state than Obama.
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« Reply #7 on: September 05, 2016, 03:08:38 PM »

What is most surprising to me is that of the three, the state Clinton has nearly put away at this point is PA rather than FL.  While there could be a Shy Hispanic factor, the polling is now very consistently showing Trump doing at least as well as Romney with Hispanic voters.  The scenario that should keep the Clinton campaign up at night is Trump flipping Wisconsin on your 2nd map.  

Looking at this map (2012 results in PA by municipality), I'm not surprised at all that PA seems to be out of reach for him:



Wow, Romney would that many suburban townships that close to Philly.

Yeah the "republicans only win dumb rural voters" meme was never true until this year no matter what this forum thinks.
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