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afleitch
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« on: September 08, 2016, 10:39:57 AM »

Unironically use 'Judeo-Christian'.
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« Reply #1 on: September 08, 2016, 12:07:03 PM »

Others who see more differences than similarities take offense to the term.

That's not really why I take exception to it. I take exception to it because it strikes me as a construct onto which specific denominations (or Christianity in general) can deflect responsibility. Its origin as a term had only the best intentions.

I take exception to it because it's a dog whistle.
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« Reply #2 on: September 08, 2016, 12:34:23 PM »

Others who see more differences than similarities take offense to the term.

That's not really why I take exception to it. I take exception to it because it strikes me as a construct onto which specific denominations (or Christianity in general) can deflect responsibility. Its origin as a term had only the best intentions.

If you mean the term has been used to deny responsibility of Christians for any anti-Semitism in the past, I haven't seen it used that way.  The use of the term that I find problematic and has shown up in the past few years is when it's used to suggest that Islam is something inherently foreign and opposite to a shared Jewish-Christian tradition. In any case I don't think it makes sense to use the way a term has been misused as a reason to automatically dismiss the idea that people are trying to get across.

Except it's clear in this example what message they are trying to get across.
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« Reply #3 on: September 09, 2016, 05:19:30 AM »

Left-wing theocracy is still theocracy.  No thanks.

1. Oh, you.
2. Maybe if this general sort of ideology--community-based, change-averse but still fairness-oriented, pragmatic in its theoretical underpinnings, unafraid of being called 'moralistic' as if that's somehow a bad thing--was allowed some sort of constituency in one of the major parties you wouldn't have Chesterbelloc acolytes like these people and creeps like realisticidealist presenting themselves as its representatives. There are at least as many Americans, especially Hispanics and lower-status Asians, who think roughly along these lines as there are SOCIALLY LIBERAL BUT FISCALLY CONSERVATIVE affluent suburbanites.

I think the issue is that very rapidly, LGBT rights issues for example, in particular equal marriage (which this party whistles against) is increasingly seen as a red line issue. Certainly in my short life it has moved into the mainstream and most importantly, religious handwringing over the issue has shifted from a position that was perhaps disliked but understood and internally mitigated by many non LGBT supporters of LGBT rights to one that is rapidly becoming a moral issue on which ground cannot be given, particularly among younger people.

When the target is not some strange 'other' but rather people you actually know, socialise with, have in your family, then theologically motivated homophobia simply get's called out for what it is.  And I know what you believe and I know what others think of me when it comes to being vocal about such things, but there is something rotten at the core of Christianity that allows something so inhuman to fester within it. Not merely as a social legacy, much of which pre-dated Christianity which undoubtedly the mistreatment of women, slavery etc would fall under; a knot from which personal values, community values, secular values and state values 'untangled' from at differing rates; more but why a marginal footnote in sexual theology was at some point between the 50's and 80's put on steroids.

Holding that position is thankfully becoming as gut wrenchingly abhorrent as say racial segregation, or disenfranchising women. Not to say that racism and sexism and homophobia do not exist intertwined with abhorrence of such issues, merely that a political party like this that feigns social justice would be default be awful, repugnant and disavowed if it had a segregationist platform.

And on that note, what should be painfully obvious is that there was a strong 'community based change-averse..unfraid of being called moralistic' consitituency in American party politics in living memory. And it was undoubtedly horrible.


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« Reply #4 on: September 09, 2016, 01:10:07 PM »

Your last sentence is true but cherry-picks my description to make your point.

It wasn't cherry picking per se. It was more about reflecting perhaps that we've had Dixiecrats. We had Prohibition. We've had Charles Coughlin. We've had the 'moral majority'. America doesn't wear 'Christian socialism' or 'Christian Democracy' particularly well (to be fair neither did Europe) in part because of it's particular brand of breakfast cereal Christianity. And the pulpits too seem more concerned with petty moralism and external 'threats' than social justice matters.

http://www.pewforum.org/2016/08/08/many-americans-hear-politics-from-the-pulpit/

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