Why doesn't social conservatism work with Blacks?

[Boston Bread]

While we're at it, can one explain why many Black Democrats from VRA districts are pro-choice and pro-LGBT? Do special interests play a role?

Being pro-choice might be out of line when it comes to black churches, but not the black electorate, even in the rural south. Personhood lost in MS of all places because blacks overwhelmingly voted against.

As for same-sex marriage, such a conversion was mostly made possible by Obama embracing it, along with the wider societal trends. Black democratic politicians were generally opposed to same-sex marriage just 5 years ago.

[Heisenberg]

While we're at it, can one explain why many Black Democrats from VRA districts are pro-choice and pro-LGBT? Do special interests play a role?

I agree that the pro-choice position of Black Congressmam is odd given the influence of "The Black Church" in Black Communties. Being Pro-LGBT maybe Black Congressman think LGBT issues are kinda of a civil-rights issue.

I can see them being against LGBT discrimination, but given the influence of churches in their communities, I'm surprised many of them are pro-marriage equality.

While we're at it, can one explain why many Black Democrats from VRA districts are pro-choice and pro-LGBT? Do special interests play a role?

Being pro-choice might be out of line when it comes to black churches, but not the black electorate, even in the rural south. Personhood lost in MS of all places because blacks overwhelmingly voted against.

As for same-sex marriage, such a conversion was mostly made possible by Obama embracing it, along with the wider societal trends. Black democratic politicians were generally opposed to same-sex marriage just 5 years ago.

A relatively recent poll showed Blacks (as a whole) are more opposed to SSM than whites (also as a whole) IIRC. But the whole nation is trending in favor, along with a trend away from religiosity.

[Arbitrage1980]

The GOP is inherently hostile to the federal government and government programs.  That is a tough agenda to sell to blacks, given that it was the federal government that freed them from slavery, gave them civil rights, and afforded them other protections. 

[All Along The Watchtower]

Because black people have a shared history and experience of oppression and marginalization by America's white-dominated society. This fosters a kind of community and solidarity that white people have trouble understanding (since white Americans are far more invested in the ideology of individualism). Furthermore, black people (and other non-white people for that matter) aren't exactly enamored with the white Protestant moralizing against "the culture of poverty", etc. And the heavy Southern flavor of white conservatism doesn't help either.

All of this should be obvious but considering the makeup of this forum...

[Amenhotep Bakari-Sellers]

Blacks fled the South except for states like FL, TX, La, NC and VA, more urbanized Southern states similar to OH and MO due to GOP rule and it's hostilities. To California, NY, MI and IL.

[hopper]

Blacks fled the South except for states like FL, TX, La, NC and VA, more urbanized Southern states similar to OH and MO due to GOP rule and it's hostilities. To California, NY, MI and IL.

Well Black People also moved to Maryland too. The states Black Population is in the low 30% which is 2.5 times the Black Population average of 13% nationally. Georgia's Black Population didn't start to increase as a % of the states population until after the 1990 Census I think. I don't think it was GOP rule that made Black People move out of the Southern States pre-1970. The Democrats ruled Southern State legislatures till around post Y2Kera(2004-2005) when Southern State legislatures became increasingly GOP controlled.

[Amenhotep Bakari-Sellers]

Yes, blacks fled rural South except for Sunbelt states like FL, TX and GA in the 1940's to the three largest cities LAX, NY, NY and Chicago. Due to enroads made by GOP over Dixiecrats during Reagan.

[hopper]

The GOP is inherently hostile to the federal government and government programs.  That is a tough agenda to sell to blacks, given that it was the federal government that freed them from slavery, gave them civil rights, and afforded them other protections. 

Hostile to government programs? Republicans haven't cut anything at least since the Bill Clinton era.

[hopper]

Yes, blacks fled rural South except for Sunbelt states like FL, TX and GA in the 1940's to the three largest cities LAX, NY, NY and Chicago. Due to enroads made by GOP over Dixiecrats during Reagan.

I hope the last sentence you wrote you were being sarcastic.

[hopper]

Because black people have only seen things get better for them as time went on. They don't long for a past like white people do. I doubt you'd be able to find any black person who is yearning to go back to the legislated segregation of the '50's or the tumultuous days of the '60's. They have in it progress, because they've seen it first-hand.

The people who tried to keep them down were the social conservatives. And as long as it's the social conservatives who stand against them with regards to police brutality, voter suppression, and white nationalism, blacks won't be social conservatives.

Well as a White Person I don't want to go back to the past either.

Police Brutality-Cops are being shot because Black Men are killing cops so it cuts both way yes Black Men are being shot to death by cops and thats wrong too.

Voter Suppression-77% of Non-Whites agree with Photo ID in order to vote per a recent Gallup poll and 51% of Republicans agree with early voting so lets do both!

White Nationalism-I don't agree with it.

[hopper]

It could work better if addressed properly.  Part of the problem is having a candidate who knows how to talk about these issues in ways most blacks can relate to.  Someone compassionate with an understanding of family hardships would work better.  Sell it as family values instead of social conservatism.  Bush was better at this than any of the recent candidates we've had.  Obama has been a major setback for the black community with more blacks living in poverty than ever which doesn't help. Trump seemed to make progress last week asking "what have you got to lose," but it might be too little too late.  Before Obama blacks opposed gay marriage which was a place to start.

The "What have you got to lose?" statement doesn't say anything in that its just words. Trump didn't offer up a plan for economic mobility for black people. If he had offered up an economic plan that Black People thought was gonna work for them they would vote for him but he didn't. Personally I have not seen an economic plan from either major party candidate(Hillary or Trump.)

[hopper]

Being poor or working class can explain a large percent of the black vote, but not even close to 95% when a good chunk are middle class or socons. The reason for why black socons and middle class voters vote D is that blacks have a very strong sense of community and will vote for the party seen to benefit them as a whole even if it doesn't benefit them individually.

So Black People don't vote on pocketbook issues? I don't believe that.