SB 2016-026: A Real Living Wage Act (Final Vote)
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« on: September 09, 2016, 02:53:53 PM »
« edited: September 29, 2016, 10:12:25 AM by tmthforu94 »

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Sponsor: Blair

72 hours for debate. The sponsor is welcome to speak on the bill.
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« Reply #1 on: September 09, 2016, 04:02:47 PM »

Thanks to Tmth as always for being on the ball as Speaker.

This is a bill that I introduced before in the Senate, and sadly it fell down at the last hurdle. I want to introduce an amendment that would go further, and peg the minimum wage to inflation which would allow it to become more natural; markets wise.

Several people have called for a $15 minimum wage (something I'd support if I was running for Mayor of New York, or Seattle) However we need to accept that we're governing for the whole of Atlasia, and it would be a big shock to double the minimum wage overnight. Several regions have introduced they're own minimum wages, but others haven't- hence why we need a federal baseline.

The statistics on the minimum wage are comprehensive within academic circles- raising the minimum wage neither hurts the big chain businesses like McDonald's, whilst the smaller coffee shops tend to (in my RL experience) support a sustainable minimum as it A.) Increases productivity B.) Increases staff loyalty.

A mistake I made last time as not adding support for small businesses- I would be happy to accept an amendment offering some sort of tax waiver/tax credit to help small businesses in conjection with this bill   
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« Reply #2 on: September 09, 2016, 11:19:44 PM »

I'm going to offer an amendment that will do just that.

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Does the sponsor consider this amount reasonable?
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« Reply #3 on: September 10, 2016, 01:21:00 AM »

Also, I'm curious if the sponsor would be interested in indexing the minimum wage to inflation.
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« Reply #4 on: September 10, 2016, 03:21:07 AM »

I think the regions shall have power on establishing their own minimum wage. Another solution might be the government establishing a minimum rate and the regions having the right of change it within a certain range.
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« Reply #5 on: September 10, 2016, 12:18:56 PM »

I'm going to offer an amendment that will do just that.

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Does the sponsor consider this amount reasonable?

if someone with creative math skills could work out the percentage increase that I'm putting forward, and have that as the tax credit amount for the next three years I'd support that- I'm on the Train atm on my phone and lack the means to get a nice amendment sorted
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« Reply #6 on: September 13, 2016, 05:16:27 PM »

I can't do math well, but if someone could figure out the above numbers, that would be great.
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« Reply #7 on: September 13, 2016, 05:46:57 PM »
« Edited: September 15, 2016, 12:05:59 PM by Senator Blair »

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« Reply #8 on: September 13, 2016, 06:02:23 PM »

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« Reply #9 on: September 13, 2016, 06:55:21 PM »

Considering "April" a friendly. Tongue

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« Reply #10 on: September 14, 2016, 12:17:16 AM »

Hi there, hope you don't mind me crossing over, I was briefly for this idea given that I don't think that the minimum wage hike call from our friends on the left side of the aisle will stop, but I would like to presently stand against this as it should be seen as a regional issue, NOT a federal issue.
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« Reply #11 on: September 15, 2016, 12:06:31 PM »

Hi there, hope you don't mind me crossing over, I was briefly for this idea given that I don't think that the minimum wage hike call from our friends on the left side of the aisle will stop, but I would like to presently stand against this as it should be seen as a regional issue, NOT a federal issue.

Don't mind at all- only a short walk Tongue

Out of interest, why do you see this as a regional issue?
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« Reply #12 on: September 15, 2016, 01:19:20 PM »

Will wait for an answer from Rep. DFW, then if it is OK with Blair, we can proceed to a final vote.
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« Reply #13 on: September 16, 2016, 02:48:23 AM »

Thank you for allowing me to participate in this debate. I see this as a regional issue because different areas have different costs of living. It has often been mentioned that it is much more expensive to live in Fremont than in the South due to attractions such as the Pacific Ocean coastline and landscaping, among other things. In the south, 8-9$ likely could suffice whereas Fremont may need wages approaching 15$ a hour. In addition to that facet, I believe the regional governments can adjust the minimum wage faster than the federal congress can as they have less pressing issues to deal with, from my experience in the South.
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« Reply #14 on: September 16, 2016, 02:49:38 AM »

Thank you for allowing me to participate in this debate. I see this as a regional issue because different areas have different costs of living. It has often been mentioned that it is much more expensive to live in Fremont than in the South due to attractions such as the Pacific Ocean coastline and landscaping, among other things. In the south, 8-9$ likely could suffice whereas Fremont may need wages approaching 15$ a hour. In addition to that facet, I believe the regional governments can adjust the minimum wage faster than the federal congress can as they have less pressing issues to deal with, from my experience in the South.
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« Reply #15 on: September 16, 2016, 03:45:40 AM »

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« Reply #16 on: September 16, 2016, 10:21:55 AM »

It seems pointless to have a minimum wage, then allow regions to have a minimum below that.
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« Reply #17 on: September 16, 2016, 11:08:26 AM »

Yep, Tmth is right. I was thinking about it first of posting my amendment, but then I didn't update it. My bad.

Withdrawing my previous amendment.

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« Reply #18 on: September 16, 2016, 11:14:05 AM »

It seems pointless to have a minimum wage, then allow regions to have a minimum below that.

I agree with the Senator in this matter.
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« Reply #19 on: September 16, 2016, 02:55:04 PM »

Again it's kind of pointless in general to establish a federal minimum wage when it could negatively impact Fremont by being too low and the South and parts of the North by being too high, let the regions have their say.
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« Reply #20 on: September 16, 2016, 05:11:12 PM »

I would substitute "should" for "must." There's no point adding that clause if it is just a suggestion. Once Senator Cris agrees to that (or not), there will be 24 hours from that point for objections to the amendment.
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« Reply #21 on: September 16, 2016, 05:17:54 PM »

I'm ok with must instead of should.
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« Reply #22 on: September 16, 2016, 05:49:13 PM »

All right!

24 hours to object to this amendment:

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« Reply #23 on: September 16, 2016, 06:35:38 PM »



This amendment waters down the original intent of the bill.  I'd much prefer we have the same minimum for each region and give tax credits to small businesses.  I also don't believe that regions and cities (such as Seattle, which recently adopted a $15 minimum wage) should be limited to how high they can set their wages.

The amendment is also awkwardly written; the federal minimum wage shouldn't be called a "federal minimum wage" if the regions can adjust it, as the language suggests.
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« Reply #24 on: September 16, 2016, 07:27:46 PM »

Senator Cris, for clarification, does your amendment seek to remove Clause 3?
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