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Erich Maria Remarque
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« Reply #50 on: September 14, 2016, 04:43:37 PM »

It's pretty astonishing that Trump is getting almost all Republicans now.  Did #NeverTrump just fizzle overnight, or something?
Go to black ghetto, tell them that at least 50% of them are deplorables lazy or criminal niggaz. Then outline briefly their reaction for us Wink
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« Reply #51 on: September 14, 2016, 04:43:49 PM »

You go ahead let these polls boost your heads up. It's going to be a dramatically hard fall on election day. This man will never win these states. If Romney couldn't pull it off, how can Trump?
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« Reply #52 on: September 14, 2016, 04:44:46 PM »

You go ahead let these polls boost your heads up. It's going to be a dramatically hard fall on election day. This man will never win these states. If Romney couldn't pull it off, how can Trump?
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« Reply #53 on: September 14, 2016, 04:45:03 PM »

You go ahead let these polls boost your heads up. It's going to be a dramatically hard fall on election day. This man will never win these states. If Romney couldn't pull it off, how can Trump?

Lack of enthusiasm among Dems Sad
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« Reply #54 on: September 14, 2016, 04:45:46 PM »

It's pretty astonishing that Trump is getting almost all Republicans now.  Did #NeverTrump just fizzle overnight, or something?

Not really.

NeverTrumpers were always cynical cowards.
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« Reply #55 on: September 14, 2016, 04:46:34 PM »

You go ahead let these polls boost your heads up. It's going to be a dramatically hard fall on election day. This man will never win these states. If Romney couldn't pull it off, how can Trump?
Hillary Clinton

Again, let your head get boosted up, it will be all the more fun to see your emotional breakdown. Some of these Trump supporters will literally collapse when he loses.
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« Reply #56 on: September 14, 2016, 04:47:48 PM »

It's pretty astonishing that Trump is getting almost all Republicans now.  Did #NeverTrump just fizzle overnight, or something?

Not really.

NeverTrumpers were always cynical cowards.
Cruzbot nevertrumpers were never going to support Hillary and the neocon nevertrumpers who back her were never a statistically significant part of the party
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« Reply #57 on: September 14, 2016, 04:48:21 PM »

You go ahead let these polls boost your heads up. It's going to be a dramatically hard fall on election day. This man will never win these states. If Romney couldn't pull it off, how can Trump?

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Seems to me like there is plenty considering who is on the ballot. As 2012 showed, plenty of people showed up who no one every thought who show up.
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« Reply #58 on: September 14, 2016, 04:48:41 PM »

You go ahead let these polls boost your heads up. It's going to be a dramatically hard fall on election day. This man will never win these states. If Romney couldn't pull it off, how can Trump?

Economic Protectionism/ Isolationism and also blurring the lines when it comes to the Neo-Liberal shock therapy fiscal agenda of the Rep House/Senate leadership gutting (Social Security, spending, health care, etc...)
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« Reply #59 on: September 14, 2016, 04:49:46 PM »

nevertrump has always been an elite project...and maybe its a sign of the difference between the philosophy of the republican party and its common members.

the strange thing is, in my opinion, that trump is the anti-thesis to decaded of, pardon, liberty-humping.
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« Reply #60 on: September 14, 2016, 04:50:03 PM »

You go ahead let these polls boost your heads up. It's going to be a dramatically hard fall on election day. This man will never win these states. If Romney couldn't pull it off, how can Trump?

Lack of enthusiasm among Dems Sad

Seems to me like there is plenty considering who is on the ballot. As 2012 showed, plenty of people showed up who no one every thought who show up.

Obama was running for reelection....
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« Reply #61 on: September 14, 2016, 04:54:03 PM »

You go ahead let these polls boost your heads up. It's going to be a dramatically hard fall on election day. This man will never win these states. If Romney couldn't pull it off, how can Trump?

Trump isn't running against an incumbent. Also this country doesn't like electing back-to-back presidents of the same party. It happened in 1988 because Reagan was beloved, but before that, you have to go back to 1964 (Ford doesn't count because he was never actually elected to the office).

And Hillary is just not as good of a campaigner as Obama was.

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« Reply #62 on: September 14, 2016, 04:56:04 PM »

You go ahead let these polls boost your heads up. It's going to be a dramatically hard fall on election day. This man will never win these states. If Romney couldn't pull it off, how can Trump?

Trump isn't running against an incumbent. Also this country doesn't like electing back-to-back presidents of the same party. It happened in 1988 because Reagan was beloved, but before that, you have to go back to 1964 (Ford doesn't count because he was never actually elected to the office).

And Hillary is just not as good of a campaigner as Obama was.


Also Obama attracted a lot of people who know nothing about and have no interest in politics, without a charismatic media darling at the top of the ticket that coalition is hard to pull off
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« Reply #63 on: September 14, 2016, 04:58:05 PM »

You go ahead let these polls boost your heads up. It's going to be a dramatically hard fall on election day. This man will never win these states. If Romney couldn't pull it off, how can Trump?

Lack of enthusiasm among Dems Sad

Seems to me like there is plenty considering who is on the ballot. As 2012 showed, plenty of people showed up who no one every thought who show up.

Obama was running for reelection....

The post I responded to was about enthusiasm and in 2012, a lot of people underestimated who would actually show up to the poll. Obama was supposed to be the hated individual who was going to get booted out like Carter, yet that didn't happen.
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« Reply #64 on: September 14, 2016, 04:58:33 PM »
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i have never understood the "motivation gap".

especially if my "enemy" is extremely motivated and divisive and the heritage of the obama achievements and the first liberal supreme court majority since decades is at least possible.

reminds me of the silliness of the 2010 results which in fact ended the possibilities of obama to do anything important at all.

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« Reply #65 on: September 14, 2016, 05:03:29 PM »

You go ahead let these polls boost your heads up. It's going to be a dramatically hard fall on election day. This man will never win these states. If Romney couldn't pull it off, how can Trump?

Trump isn't running against an incumbent. Also this country doesn't like electing back-to-back presidents of the same party. It happened in 1988 because Reagan was beloved, but before that, you have to go back to 1964 (Ford doesn't count because he was never actually elected to the office).

And Hillary is just not as good of a campaigner as Obama was.



Trump is a nutter, so he's in a category of his own. Second, past precedent is never a good indicator of what will happen in elections, because most precedent is always broken. Hillary Clinton is the most qualified person to run for President running against a man who is actually crazy. Come November, I have no doubt about what is going to happen.
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« Reply #66 on: September 14, 2016, 05:03:32 PM »

Dems continue to live in The Twilight Zone if you show up to vote you win, but, nope, can't do that...
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« Reply #67 on: September 14, 2016, 05:05:48 PM »

I no longer believe she could even beat Cruz.

Don't worry about this, it's just the media wanting a horse race and spinning everything like it. She'll demolish him in the debates, then we'll be fine.
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« Reply #68 on: September 14, 2016, 05:18:11 PM »

I'm sad that it has come to this, but...

If Clinton wants what's best for her party, and the entire country, she should drop out (cite some health reasons or whatever) and let someone else be the candidate.
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« Reply #69 on: September 14, 2016, 05:18:31 PM »

I no longer believe she could even beat Cruz.

Don't worry about this, it's just the media wanting a horse race and spinning everything like it. She'll demolish him in the debates, then we'll be fine.

What if she forgets to drink water again and faints in the middle of a debate?
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« Reply #70 on: September 14, 2016, 05:20:06 PM »

Trump isn't running against an incumbent. Also this country doesn't like electing back-to-back presidents of the same party. It happened in 1988 because Reagan was beloved, but before that, you have to go back to 1964 (Ford doesn't count because he was never actually elected to the office).

And Hillary is just not as good of a campaigner as Obama was.

That's not really true. America actually has a history of choosing the same party, it's just that since presidents serve 4 year terms, there haven't really been that many chances. There is a small penalty due to the grievances the public can build up towards the party in power over 2 years, but if the incumbent is even relatively popular, it's perfectly possible.

1860 - 1932 saw 56 years of Republican control with long stretches of uninterrupted Republican controlSad 1860 - 1884, 24 years straight with the exception of Johnson, who only took over after the election / 1896 - 1912, 16 years straight / 1920 - 1932, 12 years straight again.

1932 - 1952, 20 straight years of Democrats (FDR, Truman)

1968 - 1992, Republicans control White House for 20 of 24 years, with Carter just barely winning his 1 term. If Nixon had not been, well, Nixon, it could very well have been 24 years straight.

2000Sad Gore won the popular vote and Bush barely won the EC, so you could almost consider this a 3rd term in the sense that it was perfectly possible and Democrats did win the popular vote.

1960Sad Another very close election that could have easily turned into a 3rd Republican term.


Point is, America doesn't really have a problem with 12+ years of the same party controlling the White House.
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« Reply #71 on: September 14, 2016, 05:27:28 PM »

It's pretty astonishing that Trump is getting almost all Republicans now.  Did #NeverTrump just fizzle overnight, or something?

#NeverTrump Republicans might exist on Atlas, but there's not that many of them in real life.

Anyway, the race has obviously tightened by a lot and it is competitive now, but Trump can't take states like FL and NC for granted. He also still needs one of WI/PA/MI/CO/NM/NH to win the election. We'll get a much clearer picture of where the race stands after the first debate. No need to overreact.
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« Reply #72 on: September 14, 2016, 05:31:01 PM »

Clinton was never getting more than 3-6% of Republicans voting for her, she is too polarizing/disliked for any significant crossover support. Yet her campaign continues to waste time trying to go after Rs with endorsement from Bush cronies, Meg Whitman, Kissinger.
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« Reply #73 on: September 14, 2016, 05:31:31 PM »

I'm sad that it has come to this, but...

If Clinton wants what's best for her party, and the entire country, she should drop out (cite some health reasons or whatever) and let someone else be the candidate.
The problem is that, as President Obama said, Hillary will say anything to get elected. I.e. she'll not drop out, even she really has a health problem Smiley

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« Reply #74 on: September 14, 2016, 05:35:36 PM »

Boy am I glad that Democrats chose the "electable" candidate. Working out great as usual.
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