Someone reassure me

[Dr. Arch]

I've never quite understood the 'omg if we elect Trump it'll be so embarrassing' line of thought. I mean, consider the facts and the countries. Russia - ruled over by illiberal strongman Putin; China - a dictatorship; India - a country whose current Prime Minister is a Hindu Nationalist; Japan - has a cabinet composed primarily of historical revisionists often ill at ease with the idea that Japan committed any war crimes in World War II at all. Look at Europe, where in many countries the parties of the moderate middle are headlong decline/retreat - an FPO candidate stands a good chance of becoming the next Austrian President and Marine Le Pen is pretty much guaranteed a place in the second round of next years French Presidential Election, whilst hard right parties in the Netherlands, Sweden and Germany continue to gain considerable ground.

Really and truly, is Trump that embarrassing a leader in this context?

Yes. Simple as that.

[Erich Maria Remarque]

I've never quite understood the 'omg if we elect Trump it'll be so embarrassing' line of thought. I mean, consider the facts and the countries. Russia - ruled over by illiberal strongman Putin; China - a dictatorship; India - a country whose current Prime Minister is a Hindu Nationalist; Japan - has a cabinet composed primarily of historical revisionists often ill at ease with the idea that Japan committed any war crimes in World War II at all. Look at Europe, where in many countries the parties of the moderate middle are headlong decline/retreat - an FPO candidate stands a good chance of becoming the next Austrian President and Marine Le Pen is pretty much guaranteed a place in the second round of next years French Presidential Election, whilst hard right parties in the Netherlands, Sweden and Germany continue to gain considerable ground.

Really and truly, is Trump that embarrassing a leader in this context?

Trump has made more "gaffes" then all of them combined, though

Besided Marine Le Pen's father

[Devout Centrist]

I really like bipolar reactions of certain people. One second we have "blue firewall will hold no matter what, Hillary can't lose". The next we have "omg this is over".

I'm an eternal fatalist. If I don't have a gun pointed at my head and a bottle of alcohol in the other, something's wrong with me.

[Hermit For Peace]

I've never quite understood the 'omg if we elect Trump it'll be so embarrassing' line of thought. I mean, consider the facts and the countries. Russia - ruled over by illiberal strongman Putin; China - a dictatorship; India - a country whose current Prime Minister is a Hindu Nationalist; Japan - has a cabinet composed primarily of historical revisionists often ill at ease with the idea that Japan committed any war crimes in World War II at all. Look at Europe, where in many countries the parties of the moderate middle are headlong decline/retreat - an FPO candidate stands a good chance of becoming the next Austrian President and Marine Le Pen is pretty much guaranteed a place in the second round of next years French Presidential Election, whilst hard right parties in the Netherlands, Sweden and Germany continue to gain considerable ground.

Really and truly, is Trump that embarrassing a leader in this context?

I guess there's a good reason why our country is so prosperous and prominent compared with all those others. So why start now embracing a lunatic for President and lower our status in the world?

[Wisconsin+17]

Well, I suppose he could win NH.

[Cassius]

I've never quite understood the 'omg if we elect Trump it'll be so embarrassing' line of thought. I mean, consider the facts and the countries. Russia - ruled over by illiberal strongman Putin; China - a dictatorship; India - a country whose current Prime Minister is a Hindu Nationalist; Japan - has a cabinet composed primarily of historical revisionists often ill at ease with the idea that Japan committed any war crimes in World War II at all. Look at Europe, where in many countries the parties of the moderate middle are headlong decline/retreat - an FPO candidate stands a good chance of becoming the next Austrian President and Marine Le Pen is pretty much guaranteed a place in the second round of next years French Presidential Election, whilst hard right parties in the Netherlands, Sweden and Germany continue to gain considerable ground.

Really and truly, is Trump that embarrassing a leader in this context?

I guess there's a good reason why our country is so prosperous and prominent compared with all those others. So why start now embracing a lunatic for President and lower our status in the world?

Your country is more prominent than any of those others because you have more nuclear missiles and better armed forces than they do, as well as the legacy of the US interfering in the affairs of other nations, to rearrange them to US benefit, for a very long time. It has nothing to do with 'values' or some silly horsesh**t like that.

[Erich Maria Remarque]

I guess there's a good reason why our country is so prosperous and prominent compared with all those others. So why start now embracing a lunatic for President and lower our status in the world?

Were you sarcastic?

There are practically no poors in Sweden, "free" (we have high taxes) education and healthcare system, gender equality, very high social mobility, much safer etc etc etc. Trump would never get >10% with his rhetoric (but he likely would be much more softer though). In poor divided USA though it works pretty well...

[Person Man]

I've never quite understood the 'omg if we elect Trump it'll be so embarrassing' line of thought. I mean, consider the facts and the countries. Russia - ruled over by illiberal strongman Putin; China - a dictatorship; India - a country whose current Prime Minister is a Hindu Nationalist; Japan - has a cabinet composed primarily of historical revisionists often ill at ease with the idea that Japan committed any war crimes in World War II at all. Look at Europe, where in many countries the parties of the moderate middle are headlong decline/retreat - an FPO candidate stands a good chance of becoming the next Austrian President and Marine Le Pen is pretty much guaranteed a place in the second round of next years French Presidential Election, whilst hard right parties in the Netherlands, Sweden and Germany continue to gain considerable ground.

Really and truly, is Trump that embarrassing a leader in this context?

Yes. Simple as that.

Do we really want this to be our future?

[Erich Maria Remarque]

I've never quite understood the 'omg if we elect Trump it'll be so embarrassing' line of thought. I mean, consider the facts and the countries. Russia - ruled over by illiberal strongman Putin; China - a dictatorship; India - a country whose current Prime Minister is a Hindu Nationalist; Japan - has a cabinet composed primarily of historical revisionists often ill at ease with the idea that Japan committed any war crimes in World War II at all. Look at Europe, where in many countries the parties of the moderate middle are headlong decline/retreat - an FPO candidate stands a good chance of becoming the next Austrian President and Marine Le Pen is pretty much guaranteed a place in the second round of next years French Presidential Election, whilst hard right parties in the Netherlands, Sweden and Germany continue to gain considerable ground.

Really and truly, is Trump that embarrassing a leader in this context?

Yes. Simple as that.

Do we really want this to be our future?

I do

[Statilius the Epicurean]

I've never quite understood the 'omg if we elect Trump it'll be so embarrassing' line of thought. I mean, consider the facts and the countries. Russia - ruled over by illiberal strongman Putin; China - a dictatorship; India - a country whose current Prime Minister is a Hindu Nationalist; Japan - has a cabinet composed primarily of historical revisionists often ill at ease with the idea that Japan committed any war crimes in World War II at all. Look at Europe, where in many countries the parties of the moderate middle are headlong decline/retreat - an FPO candidate stands a good chance of becoming the next Austrian President and Marine Le Pen is pretty much guaranteed a place in the second round of next years French Presidential Election, whilst hard right parties in the Netherlands, Sweden and Germany continue to gain considerable ground.

Really and truly, is Trump that embarrassing a leader in this context?

Everyone you named there is a statesman. Trump is a reality tv show host.

A proper analogy would be to Dutere in the Philippines, who is an international embarrassment.

[Erich Maria Remarque]

I've never quite understood the 'omg if we elect Trump it'll be so embarrassing' line of thought. I mean, consider the facts and the countries. Russia - ruled over by illiberal strongman Putin; China - a dictatorship; India - a country whose current Prime Minister is a Hindu Nationalist; Japan - has a cabinet composed primarily of historical revisionists often ill at ease with the idea that Japan committed any war crimes in World War II at all. Look at Europe, where in many countries the parties of the moderate middle are headlong decline/retreat - an FPO candidate stands a good chance of becoming the next Austrian President and Marine Le Pen is pretty much guaranteed a place in the second round of next years French Presidential Election, whilst hard right parties in the Netherlands, Sweden and Germany continue to gain considerable ground.

Really and truly, is Trump that embarrassing a leader in this context?

Everyone you named there is a statesman. Trump is a reality tv show host.

A proper analogy would be to Dutere in the Philippines, who is an international embarrassment.

Philippine Donald Trump, son of the bitch! (Sorry, Obama).

[Cassius]

I've never quite understood the 'omg if we elect Trump it'll be so embarrassing' line of thought. I mean, consider the facts and the countries. Russia - ruled over by illiberal strongman Putin; China - a dictatorship; India - a country whose current Prime Minister is a Hindu Nationalist; Japan - has a cabinet composed primarily of historical revisionists often ill at ease with the idea that Japan committed any war crimes in World War II at all. Look at Europe, where in many countries the parties of the moderate middle are headlong decline/retreat - an FPO candidate stands a good chance of becoming the next Austrian President and Marine Le Pen is pretty much guaranteed a place in the second round of next years French Presidential Election, whilst hard right parties in the Netherlands, Sweden and Germany continue to gain considerable ground.

Really and truly, is Trump that embarrassing a leader in this context?

Everyone you named there is a statesman. Trump is a reality tv show host.

A proper analogy would be to Dutere in the Philippines, who is an international embarrassment.

Being a statesman doesn't really mean anything though. Stalin was a statesman.

[Wells]

I've never quite understood the 'omg if we elect Trump it'll be so embarrassing' line of thought. I mean, consider the facts and the countries. Russia - ruled over by illiberal strongman Putin; China - a dictatorship; India - a country whose current Prime Minister is a Hindu Nationalist; Japan - has a cabinet composed primarily of historical revisionists often ill at ease with the idea that Japan committed any war crimes in World War II at all. Look at Europe, where in many countries the parties of the moderate middle are headlong decline/retreat - an FPO candidate stands a good chance of becoming the next Austrian President and Marine Le Pen is pretty much guaranteed a place in the second round of next years French Presidential Election, whilst hard right parties in the Netherlands, Sweden and Germany continue to gain considerable ground.

Really and truly, is Trump that embarrassing a leader in this context?

Everyone you named there is a statesman. Trump is a reality tv show host.

A proper analogy would be to Dutere in the Philippines, who is an international embarrassment.

Being a statesman doesn't really mean anything though. Stalin was a statesman.

Trump 2016: At Least He's Not Stalin

[Badger]

I've never quite understood the 'omg if we elect Trump it'll be so embarrassing' line of thought. I mean, consider the facts and the countries. Russia - ruled over by illiberal strongman Putin; China - a dictatorship; India - a country whose current Prime Minister is a Hindu Nationalist; Japan - has a cabinet composed primarily of historical revisionists often ill at ease with the idea that Japan committed any war crimes in World War II at all. Look at Europe, where in many countries the parties of the moderate middle are headlong decline/retreat - an FPO candidate stands a good chance of becoming the next Austrian President and Marine Le Pen is pretty much guaranteed a place in the second round of next years French Presidential Election, whilst hard right parties in the Netherlands, Sweden and Germany continue to gain considerable ground.

Really and truly, is Trump that embarrassing a leader in this context?

A) that list of deplorables, even over stated as it is for Japan, is embarrassing.

b) Even in that context, yes, Trump goes far beyond embarrassing.

[Hermit For Peace]

I've never quite understood the 'omg if we elect Trump it'll be so embarrassing' line of thought. I mean, consider the facts and the countries. Russia - ruled over by illiberal strongman Putin; China - a dictatorship; India - a country whose current Prime Minister is a Hindu Nationalist; Japan - has a cabinet composed primarily of historical revisionists often ill at ease with the idea that Japan committed any war crimes in World War II at all. Look at Europe, where in many countries the parties of the moderate middle are headlong decline/retreat - an FPO candidate stands a good chance of becoming the next Austrian President and Marine Le Pen is pretty much guaranteed a place in the second round of next years French Presidential Election, whilst hard right parties in the Netherlands, Sweden and Germany continue to gain considerable ground.

Really and truly, is Trump that embarrassing a leader in this context?

I guess there's a good reason why our country is so prosperous and prominent compared with all those others. So why start now embracing a lunatic for President and lower our status in the world?

Your country is more prominent than any of those others because you have more nuclear missiles and better armed forces than they do, as well as the legacy of the US interfering in the affairs of other nations, to rearrange them to US benefit, for a very long time. It has nothing to do with 'values' or some silly horsesh**t like that.

You probably don't want to hear my answer to that, but chalk that up to total testosterone leadership for as long as our country has existed. That's how males think and act, and that's what's important to them.

In my view, that's one of the reasons we need to get a female in as President, to balance out all that over-the-top masculine aggressive behavior. I mean, it's good for pioneering a new country, but when it takes that spirit and makes it an aim to interfere with other countries, then there's a problem.

In spite of that, our country has a lot going for it, which makes it a great place to live. And that's no horsesh**t. 

[Hammy]

In spite of that, our country has a lot going for it, which makes it a great place to live. And that's no horsesh**t. 

I agree with everything but this. If this country had anything going for it, and was even a halfway decent country, we would not have Trump as the nominee of any party. The fact that he is brings me nothing but shame and doubt that we deserve to be independent in the first place. Maybe Canada could clean things up, but that's unfortunately not an option.

[Fuzzy Bear]

I've never quite understood the 'omg if we elect Trump it'll be so embarrassing' line of thought. I mean, consider the facts and the countries. Russia - ruled over by illiberal strongman Putin; China - a dictatorship; India - a country whose current Prime Minister is a Hindu Nationalist; Japan - has a cabinet composed primarily of historical revisionists often ill at ease with the idea that Japan committed any war crimes in World War II at all. Look at Europe, where in many countries the parties of the moderate middle are headlong decline/retreat - an FPO candidate stands a good chance of becoming the next Austrian President and Marine Le Pen is pretty much guaranteed a place in the second round of next years French Presidential Election, whilst hard right parties in the Netherlands, Sweden and Germany continue to gain considerable ground.

Really and truly, is Trump that embarrassing a leader in this context?

I guess there's a good reason why our country is so prosperous and prominent compared with all those others. So why start now embracing a lunatic for President and lower our status in the world?

Your country is more prominent than any of those others because you have more nuclear missiles and better armed forces than they do, as well as the legacy of the US interfering in the affairs of other nations, to rearrange them to US benefit, for a very long time. It has nothing to do with 'values' or some silly horsesh**t like that.

You probably don't want to hear my answer to that, but chalk that up to total testosterone leadership for as long as our country has existed. That's how males think and act, and that's what's important to them.

In my view, that's one of the reasons we need to get a female in as President, to balance out all that over-the-top masculine aggressive behavior. I mean, it's good for pioneering a new country, but when it takes that spirit and makes it an aim to interfere with other countries, then there's a problem.

In spite of that, our country has a lot going for it, which makes it a great place to live. And that's no horsesh**t. 

When I was a young neo-hippie protesting the Vietnam War, I believed that a female President would be more likely to be dovish, to not be warmongering, etc.  Then, over the years, I saw Jeanne Kirkpatrick, Sarah Palin, and Condi Rice and my views changed. 

This year, I watched Carly Fiorina present as one of the most over-the-top warmongers ever to run for President of either gender.  I'd give Donald Trump 3 sets of nuclear buttons before I'd give Carly a tour of the Pentagon.   

Hillary?  She'd start a war to reverse sagging poll numbers.  She's that kind of person.  She really is. 

[wolfsblood07]

What's next for the Clinton camp? What are we going to do to stop this nosedive?

Appearing on a stage next to Trump three times in a row will more than do the trick.

Are you joking?  Ask Jeb Bush and Marco Rubio and Ted Cruz...

[Absentee Voting Ghost of Ruin]

I've never quite understood the 'omg if we elect Trump it'll be so embarrassing' line of thought. I mean, consider the facts and the countries. Russia - ruled over by illiberal strongman Putin; China - a dictatorship; India - a country whose current Prime Minister is a Hindu Nationalist; Japan - has a cabinet composed primarily of historical revisionists often ill at ease with the idea that Japan committed any war crimes in World War II at all. Look at Europe, where in many countries the parties of the moderate middle are headlong decline/retreat - an FPO candidate stands a good chance of becoming the next Austrian President and Marine Le Pen is pretty much guaranteed a place in the second round of next years French Presidential Election, whilst hard right parties in the Netherlands, Sweden and Germany continue to gain considerable ground.

Really and truly, is Trump that embarrassing a leader in this context?

In the unfortunate event that he wins (and serves), ask this again after 365 days of "President TrumpMiller".

(And pray that "embarrassing" is the worst thing to be said about him at that point.)

[Hammy]

What's next for the Clinton camp? What are we going to do to stop this nosedive?

Appearing on a stage next to Trump three times in a row will more than do the trick.

Are you joking?  Ask Jeb Bush and Marco Rubio and Ted Cruz...

You do realize a-primary turnout is usually about 20% of GE turnout, and b-half of the people in the primary didn't cast a ballot with any of the above on it, so you can't use one to predict the other. And the GE does not feature more than two actual competitive candidate.

[Bojack Horseman]

I just don't get why this is happening-to go from rolling up 350 electoral votes to barely getting past 270 in a month just doesn't make any sense. I'm pretty sure 1980 was the last time a debate had any influence on the outcome of the election. Is the debate really what Hillary can hang her hat on, or are we totally f***ed yet?

[PresidentSamTilden]

I just don't get why this is happening-to go from rolling up 350 electoral votes to barely getting past 270 in a month just doesn't make any sense. I'm pretty sure 1980 was the last time a debate had any influence on the outcome of the election. Is the debate really what Hillary can hang her hat on, or are we totally f***ed yet?

I don't know either, maybe a green avatar can explain it to us. I don't think we're f***ed, necessarily, but this race is very close. There's no sugarcoating it right now. I hope things are starting to trend back Hillary's way but it's far from conclusive at this point.

As far as the debates go, I don't know. These things are all about optics, and imagery, and non rational things. I think Hillary should be a better debater by quite a bit, but I wouldn't bet my house on it (if I had one). 

[Confused Democrat]

What's next?

Rip Trump a new a-hole during the debate.

[MasterJedi]

Hillary can lose ME-02, OH, FL, NC, IA and NV and still win as long as she wins the other "swing" states of NH, VA and CO. It will take a lot for her to lose.

[ursulahx]

I just don't get why this is happening-to go from rolling up 350 electoral votes to barely getting past 270 in a month just doesn't make any sense.

Because those 350 EVs were during the post-convention bounce, and the 270 is probably closer to where things actually are. Trump self-destructed during August, so the bounce lasted longer than it normally would.