Do you stand for the Pledge of Allegiance/National Anthem?

[Green Line]

Yes.  I stand for my uncles and grandfathers who fought for the flag in far away places.

[Enduro]

Yes.

I don't need to explain why.

[FEMA Camp Administrator]

Young children cannot be expected to understand the pledge and what it represents, so for them it's just regurgitating meaningless words because an adult told them to. This is not teaching love for one's country, it's mindless brainwashing.

It's both, obviously.

No it's not. You can't brainwash someone into love. You can only brainwash them into submission, which is not love.

Difference only in connotation, no?

[Joe Republic]

Hey everybody, go check out the Bellamy salute, for the lols.  It's how children were "encouraged" to salute the flag during the PoA until 1942.





I wonder why they changed it.

[Antonio the Sixth]

Young children cannot be expected to understand the pledge and what it represents, so for them it's just regurgitating meaningless words because an adult told them to. This is not teaching love for one's country, it's mindless brainwashing.

It's both, obviously.

No it's not. You can't brainwash someone into love. You can only brainwash them into submission, which is not love.

Difference only in connotation, no?

3edgy5me

[FEMA Camp Administrator]

Young children cannot be expected to understand the pledge and what it represents, so for them it's just regurgitating meaningless words because an adult told them to. This is not teaching love for one's country, it's mindless brainwashing.

It's both, obviously.

No it's not. You can't brainwash someone into love. You can only brainwash them into submission, which is not love.

Difference only in connotation, no?

3edgy5me

Oh, fersher, dude.

[DavidB.]

Hey everybody, go check out the Bellamy salute, for the lols.  It's how children were "encouraged" to salute the flag during the PoA until 1942.

I wonder why they changed it.

What is your point exactly?

[Grumpier Than Uncle Joe]

Every time

[#TheShadowyAbyss]

No.

[Green Line]

No.

Terrible!

[Vosem]

Of course (child of immigrants, normal American, etc.)

[Clark Kent]

Of course (child of immigrants, normal American, etc.)

[YaBoyNY]

Yes.

[they don't love you like i love you]

I won't say the Pledge because I consider it idolatry. The only time I've ever been with it being recited was some political conventions, to which I simply remained seated.

For the National Anthem I'll stand but I won't salute the flag in any way.

[The world will shine with light in our nightmare]

Hey everybody, go check out the Bellamy salute, for the lols.  It's how children were "encouraged" to salute the flag during the PoA until 1942.





I wonder why they changed it.

TIL the Pledge was written by a literal socialist

[they don't love you like i love you]

Hey everybody, go check out the Bellamy salute, for the lols.  It's how children were "encouraged" to salute the flag during the PoA until 1942.





I wonder why they changed it.

TIL the Pledge was written by a literal socialist

You just learned that? It's pretty common knowledge.

[OSR stands with Israel]

Hey everybody, go check out the Bellamy salute, for the lols.  It's how children were "encouraged" to salute the flag during the PoA until 1942.

I wonder why they changed it.

What is your point exactly?

Sarcasm

[ElectionsGuy]

Having children recite it is definitely a bit creepy though.

Why? You have to teach it early on, so that they are going to love their country!

We had to stand for the pledge of allegience from kindergarten through high school. Towards the end I never actually said it and don't know what the point of it was. It didn't have any impact on what I did in school, outside of school, or the attitudes towards the country.

[Joe Republic]

Hey everybody, go check out the Bellamy salute, for the lols.  It's how children were "encouraged" to salute the flag during the PoA until 1942.

I wonder why they changed it.

What is your point exactly?

for the lols.

The identification of and solution to the problem was so classically American. 

"Hmm, those danged Nazis are using the same salute to that Hitler guy as our precious kids are using to our flag!  This looks terrible!"
"I agree.  Now you mention it, having kids saluting to a flag and reciting a pledge of loyalty to it does look a little fasc-"
"I got it!  We'll just change the salute!  Problem solved."
"But, it still looks like-"
"Problem solved."

[Wake Me Up When The Hard Border Ends]

Always, and with a hand over my heart. Not American, but would also do so for Pledge of Allegiance.

[Attorney General, LGC Speaker, and Former PPT Dwarven Dragon]

Of course. It's part of showing basic respect for your country. I don't wear athletic clothing to church (insult to god), or shout obscenities at professors. Why would I fail to show basic respect for my country, which includes standing for the anthem and pledge?

[Hash]

Mexico hasn't gotten the memo about the appropriateness of certain forms of salute during patriotic ceremonies:

[RFayette]

Of course. It's part of showing basic respect for your country. I don't wear athletic clothing to church (insult to god), or shout obscenities at professors. Why would I fail to show basic respect for my country, which includes standing for the anthem and pledge?

How is wearing athletic clothing to church an "insult to god"?

At the rather fundamentalist church I go to during the school year, the pastor wore athletic shorts, a T-shirt, and some silly paper medal that his 1st-grade son made.  Granted, this was Father's Day and the only time I'd seen the pastor not wear a suit, but I never thought this was something that was a big deal at most churches.

[DavidB.]

I do wear t-shirts to synagogue, but nothing really "athletic" that I would wear when going to the gym. Officially you have to dress as if you are received in audience by the King. Pretty sure I wouldn't wear my Adidas sweatpants when going to the King of the Netherlands, let alone the King of the World.

[Torie]

Of course. If nothing else, it is polite to do so.