Do you stand for the Pledge of Allegiance/National Anthem?

[Sprouts Farmers Market ✘]

I never wear shirts without collars outside the house, and I find church to be a great opportunity to wear madras bow ties, knit ties, cardigans, spectator shoes, and unstructured jackets that I don't normally wear to work.

This is the best post you've made in months.

I mean it might well be due to lack of competition, but still, ugh.

One of the best things about California is that I can come to class in t-shirt, shorts and sandals every day without anyone raising an eyebrow (the prof told me to wear shirts and regular pants when teaching section, but that's just because I look way too young so I have to find another way to project authority). I understand why non-BRTDish churches might require a more dignified attire, but Church should be the exception rather than the rule.

People should wear their best clothes for church. If 'best' isn't necessarily that great, then that's absolutely okay, but anyone middle-class or above should dress essentially as Santander is suggesting. Of course churchgoers shouldn't judge one another for their attire (churchgoers shouldn't really be focusing on one another at all during most parts of a service) but people should make the choice for themselves to honor God by dressing up at least a little.

Uh by that logic since I make enough to buy at least one suit (especially since you can get one that isn't like an expensive Italian suit for under $100 at Kohl's) I should get one and wear that to church. Where if I did everyone would assume I was trying to be "ironic" or something. But even if this was just limited to the "nice" clothes I already own (which are basically just for job interviews and weddings)...what if I'm doing other stuff in the day? Like I've gone to a show right after church before, and I'm not going to stop and change afterwards. Or if I went to a movie or some sort of Ingress trip beforehand, etc.

And what's wrong with wearing Christian hardcore band shirts to church? Seems pretty appropriate to me.

Besides wouldn't outdressing the person preaching be a little odd? (Although I suppose I have done this before, as once the girl preaching was wearing a tank top and jeans that had pre-cut holes in them completely up and down both ways, I was at least wearing a T-shirt and jeans without holes. Also I never wear flip flops, due to believing that only women ever should and men should not, so there's that too since one of the pastors really likes them.)

Wow! The one and only time I agree with BRTD on religion. I never see people dress up; that's absolutely nuts!

[Attorney General, LGC Speaker, and Former PPT Dwarven Dragon]

I never wear shirts without collars outside the house, and I find church to be a great opportunity to wear madras bow ties, knit ties, cardigans, spectator shoes, and unstructured jackets that I don't normally wear to work.

This is the best post you've made in months.

I mean it might well be due to lack of competition, but still, ugh.

One of the best things about California is that I can come to class in t-shirt, shorts and sandals every day without anyone raising an eyebrow (the prof told me to wear shirts and regular pants when teaching section, but that's just because I look way too young so I have to find another way to project authority). I understand why non-BRTDish churches might require a more dignified attire, but Church should be the exception rather than the rule.

People should wear their best clothes for church.

This totally doesn't happen at the church I go at college - yes, some of the girls wear dresses, but not all, and it's not usually a dress you would wear to a formal banquet or whatever.

Guys and girls that don't wear dresses generally wear neat jeans (no holes, stains, etc.), although Khakis are not unheard of. A few of the guys wear knee-length khaki shorts. As far as shirts go it's a roughly 60-40 split between collared and non-collared but people will have the decency to not wear v-necks, sleeveless, something that is clearly too small, or something that is visibly stained or hasn't been washed recently.

[they don't love you like i love you]

I never wear shirts without collars outside the house, and I find church to be a great opportunity to wear madras bow ties, knit ties, cardigans, spectator shoes, and unstructured jackets that I don't normally wear to work.

This is the best post you've made in months.

I mean it might well be due to lack of competition, but still, ugh.

One of the best things about California is that I can come to class in t-shirt, shorts and sandals every day without anyone raising an eyebrow (the prof told me to wear shirts and regular pants when teaching section, but that's just because I look way too young so I have to find another way to project authority). I understand why non-BRTDish churches might require a more dignified attire, but Church should be the exception rather than the rule.

People should wear their best clothes for church. If 'best' isn't necessarily that great, then that's absolutely okay, but anyone middle-class or above should dress essentially as Santander is suggesting. Of course churchgoers shouldn't judge one another for their attire (churchgoers shouldn't really be focusing on one another at all during most parts of a service) but people should make the choice for themselves to honor God by dressing up at least a little.

Uh by that logic since I make enough to buy at least one suit (especially since you can get one that isn't like an expensive Italian suit for under $100 at Kohl's) I should get one and wear that to church. Where if I did everyone would assume I was trying to be "ironic" or something. But even if this was just limited to the "nice" clothes I already own (which are basically just for job interviews and weddings)...what if I'm doing other stuff in the day? Like I've gone to a show right after church before, and I'm not going to stop and change afterwards. Or if I went to a movie or some sort of Ingress trip beforehand, etc.

And what's wrong with wearing Christian hardcore band shirts to church? Seems pretty appropriate to me.

Besides wouldn't outdressing the person preaching be a little odd? (Although I suppose I have done this before, as once the girl preaching was wearing a tank top and jeans that had pre-cut holes in them completely up and down both ways, I was at least wearing a T-shirt and jeans without holes. Also I never wear flip flops, due to believing that only women ever should and men should not, so there's that too since one of the pastors really likes them.)

You know how I feel about the way your church does things in general, but, since you are going there, no, I suppose you shouldn't make yourself stand out excessively.

But...that's not abnormal. No one but olds dresses up at Lutheran churches here either. Besides if everyone was expected to dress up that would scare a lot of people away and most people who go to churches like that don't want to dress up (myself included), so it'd be counterproductive to expect that.

Should we tell BRTD that his church isn't actually a church or do we let the charade continue?

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[World politics is up Schmitt creek]

You're attempting to derive an 'ought' from an 'is'.

[Joe Republic]

People should wear their best clothes for church. If 'best' isn't necessarily that great, then that's absolutely okay, but anyone middle-class or above should dress essentially as Santander is suggesting. Of course churchgoers shouldn't judge one another for their attire (churchgoers shouldn't really be focusing on one another at all during most parts of a service) but people should make the choice for themselves to honor God by dressing up at least a little.

It's obviously none of my business what people wear to these rituals, but this post was nonetheless quite troubling to read.

[World politics is up Schmitt creek]

People should wear their best clothes for church. If 'best' isn't necessarily that great, then that's absolutely okay, but anyone middle-class or above should dress essentially as Santander is suggesting. Of course churchgoers shouldn't judge one another for their attire (churchgoers shouldn't really be focusing on one another at all during most parts of a service) but people should make the choice for themselves to honor God by dressing up at least a little.

It's obviously none of my business what people wear to these rituals, but this post was nonetheless quite troubling to read.

#triggered

[Joe Republic]

I was rather hoping for more of an explanation from you, actually.

[World politics is up Schmitt creek]

Okay. I don't like the idea that leftism needs to imply casualness. Obviously people in congregations that have problems with class divisions should exercise their best judgment and perhaps not dress up to the same extent as in congregations with less history of that sort of thing, but I hardly think it makes me some sort of Simfanesque Tory to suggest that people in the presence of God, who can afford to do so, should wear a cardigan and khakis (or a shell top with a nice skirt, if one doesn't go in for masculine or androgynous looks) or something. The ties and spectator shoes (seriously, on further thought, wtf) are a little over-the-top unless it's a major holiday or feast day or something, sure.

Unless what worries you is non-political?

[Bakersfield Uber Alles]

I didn't stand for the pledge my last two years of high school. I stand for the national anthem at sporting events, but I typically just think to myself "let's get this over with." I'm not a huge fan of patriotism.

It was most of high school for me. Maybe three years?

[Joe Republic]

Okay. I don't like the idea that leftism needs to imply casualness. Obviously people in congregations that have problems with class divisions should exercise their best judgment and perhaps not dress up to the same extent as in congregations with less history of that sort of thing, but I hardly think it makes me some sort of Simfanesque Tory to suggest that people in the presence of God, who can afford to do so, should wear a cardigan and khakis (or a shell top with a nice skirt, if one doesn't go in for masculine or androgynous looks) or something. The ties and spectator shoes (seriously, on further thought, wtf) are a little over-the-top unless it's a major holiday or feast day or something, sure.

Unless what worries you is non-political?

I just didn't fully see where you were going with the reference to class divisions.

[World politics is up Schmitt creek]

Okay. I don't like the idea that leftism needs to imply casualness. Obviously people in congregations that have problems with class divisions should exercise their best judgment and perhaps not dress up to the same extent as in congregations with less history of that sort of thing, but I hardly think it makes me some sort of Simfanesque Tory to suggest that people in the presence of God, who can afford to do so, should wear a cardigan and khakis (or a shell top with a nice skirt, if one doesn't go in for masculine or androgynous looks) or something. The ties and spectator shoes (seriously, on further thought, wtf) are a little over-the-top unless it's a major holiday or feast day or something, sure.

Unless what worries you is non-political?

I just didn't fully see where you were going with the reference to class divisions.

Essentially I was just trying to say that people in a bad financial way shouldn't bankrupt themselves buying 'Sunday best', whereas better-off people don't have that constraint.

[Torie]

Hey everybody, go check out the Bellamy salute, for the lols.  It's how children were "encouraged" to salute the flag during the PoA until 1942.





I wonder why they changed it.

TIL the Pledge was written by a literal socialist

You just learned that? It's pretty common knowledge.

I just learned it at age 65. I need to get out more.

[🐒Gods of Prosperity🔱🐲💸]

It's usually better if you dress up sort of nicely for church, but I would not want to go to a church where people obsess about it and insist on it and look at you weird if you don't.

[afleitch]

Christians have been arguing over the proper attire for a worshipper and a place of worship (cue iconoclasm) since it was founded. Which is another one of it's collective pointless distractions.

As for standing during anthems people seem happy to sit on their ass when it plays on tv before sport and stand collectively if in public. Which demonstrates it's a social etiquette and nothing particularly profound.

[World politics is up Schmitt creek]

It's usually better if you dress up sort of nicely for church, but I would not want to go to a church where people obsess about it and insist on it and look at you weird if you don't.

This is my position too and I'm sorry if I gave the impression otherwise.

[Santander]

The ties and spectator shoes (seriously, on further thought, wtf) are a little over-the-top unless it's a major holiday or feast day or something, sure.

Eh, I wear knit ties casually all the time, and being able to wear fun stuff like spectator shoes and coral-colored trousers is one of my favorite parts of summer. (obviously, I don't wear coral trousers to church)

[Antonio the Sixth]

Christians have been arguing over the proper attire for a worshipper and a place of worship (cue iconoclasm) since it was founded. Which is another one of it's collective pointless distractions.

Actually, I'd rather see Churches divide themselves based on what they believe proper ways to worship are (of which attire would be a minor aspect) that have everything be subsumed into the hyper-political divide you see in the US.