I'm a Democrat and I don't want Hillary to win anymore.

[Anna Komnene]

Consider this.  After everything Trump has said and done in the past few years, he's still probably going to get over 50 million votes this November.  If Americans are stupid enough to elect Trump, do you really think they'll be smart enough to realize it was a mistake?  It's not like he's being coy about what he wants to do.

[Mr. Smith]

Assuming Trump is going to lose in 2020 is god damn idiotic. WE DIDN'T THINK HE WAS GOING TO WIN IN 2016 FOR CHRIST SAKES.

True, but for 2016, he hasn't needed to show much in the way of policy, or actually work with foreign leaders besides the occasional stop to Mexico.

Jimmy was just "Jimmy Who" (besides in Georgia) before the primaries of '76 was he not?

Also, with the likelihood of an outward and unapologetic liberal in the mold of Bernie being nominated in 2020 in response to Hillary's loss and Millennials having more clout, it's unlikely trump will be able to surmount that.

EDIT: Of course Hillary could attempt and fail at a "zinger" in the debates, and that could be the "No Soviet Domination" instead.

I think its Trump that should be more worried about making a major gaffe in the debates.

Why? He's held to a far lower standard and the media will clearly spin things anyway they want to favor him, like he's a crass Dubya against Hillary's Gore

He was supposed to be have to worry and prepare the first time around when RNCs Primary Debates started last year in August, look how that turned out.

Why would these big debates be any different? It's quite clear by the thinning margins that the GE Electorate is not as different from the primaries as we'd like to think.

Consider this.  After everything Trump has said and done in the past few years, he's still probably going to get over 50 million votes this November.  If Americans are stupid enough to elect Trump, do you really think they'll be smart enough to realize it was a mistake?  It's not like he's being coy about what he wants to do.

If a new recession forms, yes, absolutely. If not, nominating an unabashed liberal (maybe even socialist) and taking full advantage of the Millennial numbers while the Boomers wane and courting the first Post 9/11 Crowd will likely cancel out 2016.

[Maxwell]

you do realize that election was 40 years ago and has very little bearing on U.S. politics now, correct?

[Zioneer]

Accelerationism never works. Why is this so hard to understand? Electing Trump would be catastrophic in a hundred different ways.

[Chunk Yogurt for President!]

EDIT: Of course Hillary could attempt and fail at a "zinger" in the debates, and that could be the "No Soviet Domination" instead.

I think its Trump that should be more worried about making a major gaffe in the debates.

Why? He's held to a far lower standard and the media will clearly spin things anyway they want to favor him, like he's a crass Dubya against Hillary's Gore

He was supposed to be have to worry and prepare the first time around when RNCs Primary Debates started last year in August, look how that turned out.

Why would these big debates be any different? It's quite clear by the thinning margins that the GE Electorate is not as different from the primaries as we'd like to think.

Is the media in general holding Trump to a low standard?  I know that FOX News, Breitbart, etc. are pro-Trump but most other media seems to be critical of him.  And this is coming from someone who despises both candidates.

Unlike in the Republican primaries, Trump will probably need over 45% of the vote to win.  If Gary Johnson had run a better campaign, maybe he could, but that's a different discussion.

I just can't see Trump winning.  He will do worse than Romney with Hispanics, and will motivate higher turnout among that demographic.  He is also losing many Republicans and Independents who are basically Republicans.  I just can't see him winning enough Democrats to make up for it.

[Mr. Reactionary]

NO, and listen up. A Trump victory doesn't mean we can just come back and win the next election. A Trump victory means NO MORE ELECTIONS EVER! He has to lose and lose badly.

There is no reason to expect that if Trump wins this year the 2020 elections will be free and fair (relatively speaking, of course the present system is corrupted but at least the votes are counted and there are no scary armed men at polling places presently).

Lol.

[MASHED POTATOES. VOTE!]

I've been always lukewarm about Hillary, but stakes are bit too high to play this game.

I hate to go Godwin here, but this approach reminds me of those idiot who let Hitler become Chancellor because "we can controll him somehow" or "he'll burn down quickly, problem solved".

[Pyro]

50+ replies in, I believe OP has now realized his/her mistake in proposing an accelerationism theory in this pro-Clinton space. Seems an increasing number of Clinton people grow sourer each time this topic arises, and this is especially so at the insinuation that their candidate may lose. Regardless of your thoughts on the tactic overall (of which I too believe to be folly), one cannot disregard the reality here. Prior to the debates, this race is tightening and each side is utilizing fear as a means to frighten this electorate: with the youth partially tuning out as a result.

Whether or not this fear is justifiable, we will likely be seeing a president enter with remarkably low approvals. This is bad news for progressives and workers regardless of the eventual conclusion, but, in my view, a Trump win would be far more disasterous, and I cannot imagine Democrats somehow bouncing back after losing all three branches of government. Incompetence does not equal unpopularity, we've seen this with Bush the Younger. I believe we're in trouble with either outcome, but as far as this election goes, I'll take another four years of neoliberal trash over psuedo fascism (not that I'm voting Clinton, mind you.)

[progressive85]

This is the OP.  I've read all the comments and I cringe at that subject line...  I do want Hillary to win, but I want progressives to win more and I'm terrified what 2018 and 2020 will look like.  Someone even crazier or more doctrinaire than Donald Trump (Ted Cruz) could be elected in 2020 and I shutter to think at that possibility.

Still, my thread sucked and I'll admit it.  I pray that Hillary wins, I really do.  What scares me is that she has this terrible disapproval ratings already.  If she wins, she'll not really have enough of the country behind her.  I don't want to go through four years of scandals.  I mean, look at what they did over these stupid emails...  what if there's an actual scandal?

I guess what I'm saying is that I don't fully trust her either, but she is the best prepared President on January 20.  Donald Trump I used to not take seriously.  Now I think he's more than a clown: he's dangerous.  TOO dangerous to be elected.

The title of this thread should be "I'm a Democrat and I want to win in 2020".

[Mr. Smith]

50+ replies in, I believe OP has now realized his/her mistake in proposing an accelerationism theory in this pro-Clinton space. Seems an increasing number of Clinton people grow sourer each time this topic arises, and this is especially so at the insinuation that their candidate may lose. Regardless of your thoughts on the tactic overall (of which I too believe to be folly), one cannot disregard the reality here. Prior to the debates, this race is tightening and each side is utilizing fear as a means to frighten this electorate: with the youth partially tuning out as a result.

Whether or not this fear is justifiable, we will likely be seeing a president enter with remarkably low approvals. This is bad news for progressives and workers regardless of the eventual conclusion, but, in my view, a Trump win would be far more disasterous, and I cannot imagine Democrats somehow bouncing back after losing all three branches of government. Incompetence does not equal unpopularity, we've seen this with Bush the Younger. I believe we're in trouble with either outcome, but as far as this election goes, I'll take another four years of neoliberal trash over psuedo fascism (not that I'm voting Clinton, mind you.)

To be fair, Bush Jr would've been sunk without 9/11, he was pretty much down the drain until that point anyway. Even then, he petered out as soon as foreign policy and security dropped being the hot topic.

Also to be fair, same thing if SCOTUS hadn't meddled Gore out of place and he actually had presided in the 2001-2005 era.