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« on: September 20, 2016, 11:42:37 AM »

What did she say to piss off the people of Maine? "Dean Koontz is a better author than Stephen King?" Lol but seriously....why is it so close?
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« Reply #1 on: September 20, 2016, 11:45:04 AM »

This is the most important article of 2016 IMO and pretty much sums up the race. Maine is not diverse AND it's not as highly educated.

http://www.nytimes.com/2016/08/11/upshot/donald-trumps-red-state-problem.html

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« Reply #2 on: September 20, 2016, 11:46:26 AM »

We don't have many quality polls to confirm the numbers that some of these lesser known pollsters are finding. Maine might be "flirting" with Trump, in the same way that in 2008, certain safe states had moments when they seemed to swing toward the opposite candidate. I highly doubt Maine will even be remotely close, but I guess time will tell. If the Clinton campaign starts investing in Maine, we'll know that something's up.
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« Reply #3 on: September 20, 2016, 11:48:08 AM »

I love the poorly educated.
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« Reply #4 on: September 20, 2016, 11:49:05 AM »

Seems that Maine's Cong Dist 1 and the statewide vote is currently Lean to Likely Clinton.
Only ME-02 is showing concern at this time (Toss-up to Lean trump).
I think she will get at least 3 EC's from Maine come November.
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« Reply #5 on: September 20, 2016, 11:52:10 AM »

This is the most important article of 2016 IMO and pretty much sums up the race. Maine is not diverse AND it's not as highly educated.

http://www.nytimes.com/2016/08/11/upshot/donald-trumps-red-state-problem.html


This article would imply that if ME is close, OR (and WA) should be as well. But polling suggests ME is close and OR is not.
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« Reply #6 on: September 20, 2016, 11:52:15 AM »

Seems that Maine's Cong Dist 1 and the statewide vote is currently Lean to Likely Clinton.
Only ME-02 is showing concern at this time (Toss-up to Lean trump).
I think she will get at least 3 EC's from Maine come November.

Perhaps, but who cares? Those 3 electoral votes won't even matter.
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« Reply #7 on: September 20, 2016, 11:55:00 AM »

Seems that Maine's Cong Dist 1 and the statewide vote is currently Lean to Likely Clinton.
Only ME-02 is showing concern at this time (Toss-up to Lean trump).
I think she will get at least 3 EC's from Maine come November.

Perhaps, but who cares? Those 3 electoral votes won't even matter.

Those 3 EC's are part of the '272 Firewall' (without them, it drops to 269).
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« Reply #8 on: September 20, 2016, 11:55:07 AM »

This is the most important article of 2016 IMO and pretty much sums up the race. Maine is not diverse AND it's not as highly educated.

http://www.nytimes.com/2016/08/11/upshot/donald-trumps-red-state-problem.html


This article would imply that if ME is close, OR (and WA) should be as well. But polling suggests ME is close and OR is not.

I wonder. Let's see some polls from Oregon and Washington. Though, I doubt Trump can win either. Oregon is particularly tricky due to 100% absentee voting.
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« Reply #9 on: September 20, 2016, 11:55:31 AM »

This is the most important article of 2016 IMO and pretty much sums up the race. Maine is not diverse AND it's not as highly educated.

Not to mention Maine is #2 in states with people 65 years or older, with 18.8% of its population over 65 (census 2015)

So that's old, lily white and not highly educated. Perfect for Trump!
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« Reply #10 on: September 20, 2016, 11:56:05 AM »

What did she say to piss off the people of Maine? "Dean Koontz is a better author than Stephen King?" Lol but seriously....why is it so close?

Well, Dean Koontz IS better...
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« Reply #11 on: September 20, 2016, 11:56:10 AM »

Seems that Maine's Cong Dist 1 and the statewide vote is currently Lean to Likely Clinton.
Only ME-02 is showing concern at this time (Toss-up to Lean trump).
I think she will get at least 3 EC's from Maine come November.

Perhaps, but who cares? Those 3 electoral votes won't even matter.

Those 3 EC's are part of '272 Firewall' (without them, it drops to 269).

That firewall is a figment of imagination.
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« Reply #12 on: September 20, 2016, 11:59:41 AM »

This is the most important article of 2016 IMO and pretty much sums up the race. Maine is not diverse AND it's not as highly educated.

http://www.nytimes.com/2016/08/11/upshot/donald-trumps-red-state-problem.html


This article would imply that if ME is close, OR (and WA) should be as well. But polling suggests ME is close and OR is not.

It has a section specifically focusing on Trump's upside (Where Trump Has Room to Gain Among Working-Class White Voters).

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« Reply #13 on: September 20, 2016, 12:03:19 PM »

This is the most important article of 2016 IMO and pretty much sums up the race. Maine is not diverse AND it's not as highly educated.

http://www.nytimes.com/2016/08/11/upshot/donald-trumps-red-state-problem.html


This article would imply that if ME is close, OR (and WA) should be as well. But polling suggests ME is close and OR is not.

It has a section specifically focusing on Trump's upside (Where Trump Has Room to Gain Among Working-Class White Voters).



I read the article, I know. But the closest they come to "explaining" it is that the changes in no-college white voters are not steady from region to region. But there's no explanation as to why that might be the case.
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« Reply #14 on: September 20, 2016, 12:25:00 PM »

Say it with me:

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« Reply #15 on: September 20, 2016, 12:41:14 PM »

State that are usually called "Safe" or "Likely" look closer in poll because of undecideds and over performing 3rd Parties. Come Election Day Maine's undecideds will more than likely vote Democrat.
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« Reply #16 on: September 20, 2016, 01:36:03 PM »

"Hillary is a black you see."

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« Reply #17 on: September 20, 2016, 09:28:30 PM »

Maine's polling was absolutely terrible for the caucuses.

With that said, Trump is in serious contention to take ME-02. As far as the state goes, I am not convinced yet.
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« Reply #18 on: September 21, 2016, 09:50:55 AM »

This is the most important article of 2016 IMO and pretty much sums up the race. Maine is not diverse AND it's not as highly educated.

http://www.nytimes.com/2016/08/11/upshot/donald-trumps-red-state-problem.html


This article would imply that if ME is close, OR (and WA) should be as well. But polling suggests ME is close and OR is not.

It has a section specifically focusing on Trump's upside (Where Trump Has Room to Gain Among Working-Class White Voters).



I read the article, I know. But the closest they come to "explaining" it is that the changes in no-college white voters are not steady from region to region. But there's no explanation as to why that might be the case.

https://twitter.com/PatrickRuffini/status/778600310604492800
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1/ Estimated share of non-college whites (RV, voter file estimates)

ME 67.5%
IA 56.1%
WI 52.8%
NV 52.8%
NH 51.0%
OH 49.5%
MI 49.1%
PA 46.7%
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« Reply #19 on: September 21, 2016, 10:02:35 AM »

Having LePage as governor for 8 years has probably desensitized Maine voters to a lot of Trump's antics.
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« Reply #20 on: September 21, 2016, 01:55:25 PM »

This is the most important article of 2016 IMO and pretty much sums up the race. Maine is not diverse AND it's not as highly educated.

Not to mention Maine is #2 in states with people 65 years or older, with 18.8% of its population over 65 (census 2015)

So that's old, lily white and not highly educated. Perfect for Trump!

And apparently Obama in 2008 and 2012?
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« Reply #21 on: September 21, 2016, 05:10:43 PM »

That Republican plant named Bernie Sanders. *puts on tinfoil hat*
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« Reply #22 on: September 21, 2016, 05:11:51 PM »

Can't you tell? Every state will be to the right of the nation this year! Polls say so!
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« Reply #23 on: September 21, 2016, 05:17:24 PM »

This is the most important article of 2016 IMO and pretty much sums up the race. Maine is not diverse AND it's not as highly educated.

Not to mention Maine is #2 in states with people 65 years or older, with 18.8% of its population over 65 (census 2015)

So that's old, lily white and not highly educated. Perfect for Trump!

And apparently Obama in 2008 and 2012?

Yep! Obama and Trump - 2 Peas in a Pod! Love, love, love!
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« Reply #24 on: September 22, 2016, 05:24:01 PM »
« Edited: September 22, 2016, 05:44:28 PM by Virginia »

This is the most important article of 2016 IMO and pretty much sums up the race. Maine is not diverse AND it's not as highly educated.

Not to mention Maine is #2 in states with people 65 years or older, with 18.8% of its population over 65 (census 2015)

So that's old, lily white and not highly educated. Perfect for Trump!

And apparently Obama in 2008 and 2012?

uhmm, yes? Clearly it was with Obama's large double-digit wins there. Trump's support from these demographics are more pronounced this cycle, and more attention has been paid to it in often amusing ways, hence why I noticed. If you thought part of my post implied that Obama hadn't had similar support in Maine, well I guess you might have got me.
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