KY-GOV 2015: Why did Jack Conway lose to Matt Bevin?
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« on: September 20, 2016, 08:57:25 PM »

When I heard the news that then-Kentucky Attorney General Jack Conway lost to Republican outsider businessman Matt Bevin last year in 2015, I was somewhat shocked. Conway had the name ID, good Southern looks, moderate centrist Democrat, and a decent record, and experience. How did such a experienced Democrat lose to Bevin? Was it due to the rightward trend of Kentucky, or something else? Did he turn out Latino and Black voters?
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« Reply #1 on: September 20, 2016, 09:03:58 PM »

Conway is as bad a candidate as Martha Coakley, but gets way less hate because he has a penis.
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« Reply #2 on: September 20, 2016, 09:09:26 PM »

Conway is as bad a candidate as Martha Coakley, but gets way less hate because he has a penis.
Quit your bull, it's because he's a Democrat in now deep red Kentucky as opposed to being a Democrat in deep blue Masachussetts.
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« Reply #3 on: September 20, 2016, 09:12:05 PM »

Three main reasons: the extremely low job approval of President Obama in Kentucky, its status as a Southern Bible Belt state, plus the perceived hostility of national Democrats toward coal mining.

To those who say racism, I will point out that much of that region started trending R before Obama, primarily because of social issues and coal.  (See the swing from 1996 to 2000 for president to see what I mean.)

When I heard the news that then-Kentucky Attorney General Jack Conway lost to Republican outsider businessman Matt Bevin last year in 2015, I was somewhat shocked. Conway had the name ID, good Southern looks, moderate centrist Democrat, and a decent record, and experience. How did such a experienced Democrat lose to Bevin? Was it due to the rightward trend of Kentucky, or something else? Did he turn out Latino and Black voters?
A lot of Bevin's victory has to do with the fact that he WAS an outsider in a national climate that is hostile to experience and competence (see Donald Trump).
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« Reply #4 on: September 20, 2016, 09:15:42 PM »
« Edited: September 20, 2016, 09:18:18 PM by Maxwell »

Conway is as bad a candidate as Martha Coakley, but gets way less hate because he has a penis.
Quit your bull, it's because he's a Democrat in now deep red Kentucky as opposed to being a Democrat in deep blue Masachussetts.

Conway ran with all the possible advantages he could have - winning statewide multiple times, very strong campaign infrastructure, running against already weak opponents (Bevin, Paul), and running in a state that is definitely willing to give Democrats a chance if you offer them (see: there are still statewide democrats, Beshear got re-elected by over 20 points). I suppose I can understand losing to Paul - Conway ran in a wave year, made an epically bad move last minute, and Paul isn't the worst politician ever. I can't understand losing to Bevin, who ran an exceptionally incompetent and bewildering campaign, in a year that wasn't especially bad for Democrats (I mean, Dems won a Governors spot in Louisiana that year for crying out loud), and losing so badly that Bevin carried with him a previously left for dead Republican for Auditor with him.

Coakley at least improved in her second rendezvous (as her loss to Baker is a little more understandable).
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« Reply #5 on: September 20, 2016, 09:25:57 PM »

Conway is as bad a candidate as Martha Coakley, but gets way less hate because he has a penis.
Quit your bull, it's because he's a Democrat in now deep red Kentucky as opposed to being a Democrat in deep blue Masachussetts.

Conway ran with all the possible advantages he could have - winning statewide multiple times, very strong campaign infrastructure, running against already weak opponents (Bevin, Paul), and running in a state that is definitely willing to give Democrats a chance if you offer them (see: there are still statewide democrats, Beshear got re-elected by over 20 points). I suppose I can understand losing to Paul - Conway ran in a wave year, made an epically bad move last minute, and Paul isn't the worst politician ever. I can't understand losing to Bevin, who ran an exceptionally incompetent and bewildering campaign, in a year that wasn't especially bad for Democrats (I mean, Dems won a Governors spot in Louisiana that year for crying out loud), and losing so badly that Bevin carried with him a previously left for dead Republican for Auditor with him.

Coakley at least improved in her second rendezvous (as her loss to Baker is a little more understandable).
Louisiana was a special case, considering how disliked the scandal-ridden Vitter was. Bevin was just like a mini-Trump. I think you underestimate how violent the R trend has been in Kentucky, especially in the coal counties.
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« Reply #6 on: September 20, 2016, 09:37:19 PM »

Conway never brought in surrogates like Ben Chandler and Steve Breshesr: broadly popular people from the state. Even Evan Bayh, Earl Ray Tomblin, and Joe Manchin may have helped in northern and eastern Kentucky, respectively.
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« Reply #7 on: September 20, 2016, 09:56:24 PM »

Conway never brought in surrogates like Ben Chandler and Steve Breshesr: broadly popular people from the state. Even Evan Bayh, Earl Ray Tomblin, and Joe Manchin may have helped in northern and eastern Kentucky, respectively.

uh Ben Chandler lost re-election in a Presidential year to a potentially worse candidate.
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« Reply #8 on: September 20, 2016, 10:12:34 PM »

Because Conway had a (D) next to his name. Kim Jong Un (R) would have beaten Jesus Christ (D) in Kentucky.
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« Reply #9 on: September 20, 2016, 10:42:02 PM »

Conway came across as arrogant in the debates, IMO, and awkward in his own ads.
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« Reply #10 on: September 20, 2016, 11:00:36 PM »

Because Conway had a (D) next to his name. Kim Jong Un (R) would have beaten Jesus Christ (D) in Kentucky.

two democrats won that year.
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« Reply #11 on: September 20, 2016, 11:08:13 PM »

Because Conway had a (D) next to his name. Kim Jong Un (R) would have beaten Jesus Christ (D) in Kentucky.

two democrats won that year.
Grimes was a pretty popular incumbent whose opponent was not serious (IIRC) and Andy Beshear's last name narrowly pulled him to victory. Andy Smith (D) would have lost.
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« Reply #12 on: September 21, 2016, 11:09:26 AM »

Conway never brought in surrogates like Ben Chandler and Steve Breshesr: broadly popular people from the state. Even Evan Bayh, Earl Ray Tomblin, and Joe Manchin may have helped in northern and eastern Kentucky, respectively.

uh Ben Chandler lost re-election in a Presidential year to a potentially worse candidate.

And in a district redrawn to help him to boot.
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« Reply #13 on: September 21, 2016, 11:43:40 AM »

Incredibly low turnout and social issues. There was an article where a lot of poor people were terrified of losing their benefits and didn't know what they would do but they voted for Bevin because of social issues.
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« Reply #14 on: September 21, 2016, 12:20:43 PM »

Matt Bevin got more votes.
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« Reply #15 on: September 25, 2016, 10:23:36 PM »

Conway never brought in surrogates like Ben Chandler and Steve Breshesr: broadly popular people from the state. Even Evan Bayh, Earl Ray Tomblin, and Joe Manchin may have helped in northern and eastern Kentucky, respectively.

uh Ben Chandler lost re-election in a Presidential year to a potentially worse candidate.

And in a district redrawn to help him to boot.

Chandler lost by about 3% in a R+9 seat. That's fairly impressive.
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« Reply #16 on: September 26, 2016, 12:44:52 PM »

Because Conway was one stiff mofo. 
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« Reply #17 on: September 27, 2016, 06:35:29 PM »

He was too liberal, Kentucky isn't Boston, Chicago or San Francisco.
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« Reply #18 on: September 30, 2016, 11:09:22 AM »

Kim Davis. Conway was looking good for much of the summer and then the gay marriage sh**t show nationalized the campaign.
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« Reply #19 on: October 17, 2016, 09:18:06 AM »

He lost because voter turnout was historically low.
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« Reply #20 on: October 23, 2016, 12:27:29 AM »

Because Conway had a (D) next to his name. Kim Jong Un (R) would have beaten Jesus Christ (D) in Kentucky.

Alison Grimes won though.
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« Reply #21 on: October 23, 2016, 02:51:31 AM »

Because Conway had a (D) next to his name. Kim Jong Un (R) would have beaten Jesus Christ (D) in Kentucky.

Alison Grimes won though.

As did Andy Beshear (in an open-seat race) and Adam Edelen just barely lost reelection. And Conway performed worst out of all of them. That tells me there could have been Bevin/Beshear/Grimes/Edelen voters.

That's why I don't really think the Democratic brand is what damaged Conway, since Grimes had run for federal office and lost too. I think it was just the fact he was a bad candidate.
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« Reply #22 on: October 24, 2016, 02:36:06 AM »

Because it's Kentucky.
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« Reply #23 on: October 24, 2016, 02:41:13 AM »

Because Conway had a (D) next to his name. Kim Jong Un (R) would have beaten Jesus Christ (D) in Kentucky.

two democrats won that year.

A Republican won the SoS office in Washington state. I suppose that means any Republican who loses in that state can only blame themselves and their campaign, and not the fact that Washington is a solid D state?
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