Where did Donald Trump get his racialized rhetoric? From libertarians.

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https://www.washingtonpost.com/posteverything/wp/2016/09/02/where-did-donald-trump-get-his-racialized-rhetoric-from-libertarians/


Basically, when the Tea Party movement attempted to co-opt the nascent Ron Paul movement it absorbed the Ron Paul Tradition of Paleolibertarianism.

 https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Paleolibertarianism


Paleolibertarianism represents a mix between libertarianism and right-wing populism. What the Tea Party movement did though was inject this paleolibertarian school of thought when it sought to dump Bush's 'compassionate conservatism'. The reboot also provided an opening for the altright, essentially.

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Rothbard literally wrote the book on libertarianism transcending the left-right divide.  The author of this article is clueless.

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Rothbard literally wrote the book on libertarianism transcending the left-right divide.  The author of this article is clueless.

That's paleolibertarianism which is synthesized with such populism:

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Third_Position

Actually, isolationism represents the Old Right, but he constructed a coalition with those 'transcended' populists, hence his support of Duke in the 90s, etc.

[Okay, maybe Mike Johnson is a competent parliamentarian.]

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Paleolibertarians are just social conservatives who want to be edgy and calling themselves libertarians instead of populist or ancaps

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Trump steals his ideas from anyone he can.

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Rothbard literally wrote the book on libertarianism transcending the left-right divide.  The author of this article is clueless.

That's paleolibertarianism which is synthesized with such populism:

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Third_Position

Actually, isolationism represents the Old Right, but he constructed a coalition with those 'transcended' populists, hence his support of Duke in the 90s, etc.

I have no idea what you're trying to say here.

But the idea all racialism on the American Right can be traced back to paleolibertarians is an, uh, interesting one.

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where to start?

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Rothbard literally wrote the book on libertarianism transcending the left-right divide.  The author of this article is clueless.

That's paleolibertarianism which is synthesized with such populism:

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Third_Position

Actually, isolationism represents the Old Right, but he constructed a coalition with those 'transcended' populists, hence his support of Duke in the 90s, etc.

I have no idea what you're trying to say here.

But the idea all racialism on the American Right can be traced back to paleolibertarians is an, uh, interesting one.

I'm talking about the Ron Paul movement, that is where the origins of the Tea Party movement lies.  Ron Paul was even the original Koch-backed CSE politician.

The GOP co-opted the Ron Paul movement (which consisted of both libertarians and radicalists) with the Tea Party.

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Ahh yes. Libertarians. The most racist people since George Wallace. Damn. From what hole did you find that garbage?

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Ahh yes. Libertarians. The most racist people since George Wallace. Damn. From what hole did you find that garbage?

The same hole Goldwater attracted when he opposed the Civil Rights Act and rationalized state segregation, every single Libertarian candidate with the exception of Johnson (and Feldman) opposed the CRA if you watched the last libertarian debate.

Anyway, if you look at the history of Rothbard and Paleolibertarianism, you'll see that Rothbard backed Duke in the 90s.

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Paleolibertarians are basically One-nation conservatives/paleoconservatives who tend to be idiosyncratic.

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We should just call them LibertAryans.

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Paleolibertarians are just social conservatives who want to be edgy and calling themselves libertarians instead of populist or ancaps

"I support high tariffs, and closed borders, but I'm totes a libertarian! Ron Paul 2012!" - Paleolibertarians

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Paleolibertarians are just social conservatives who want to be edgy and calling themselves libertarians instead of populist or ancaps

"I support high tariffs, and closed borders, but I'm totes a libertarian! Ron Paul 2012!" - Paleolibertarians

"I support big government military spending and believe in fantasies like trickle down economics instead of actually cutting spending (including on defense) to balance the budget, but I'm a libertarian 'Tea Partyer'!"

Both viewpoints are equally as inconsistent as the other.

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Ahh yes. Libertarians. The most racist people since George Wallace. Damn. From what hole did you find that garbage?

This thread is giving me a UTI.

George Wallace was not racist.

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Despite the disagreements in this thread and at the very least, we can all agree that libertarians are the absolute worst...for when most socons hate or foist inequities upon entire groups of people, they at least do so while either being motivated by a belief in some form of absolute good/communal interest, or do so while having said convictions.

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As a dedicated cosmotarian who is often troubled by my paleolibertarian "allies," I nonetheless can't see anything redeeming in this article whatsoever.

How does it support its own headline? What is Trump's "racialized rhetoric" other than border hawkish talk? Paleolibertarians are not the inventors of border hawk rhetoric.

Maybe we could say that the alt-right is frequently "racialist" and that a lot of former paleolibertarians have drifted toward the alt-right, who in turn usually support Trump. That's about the extent of it, and good riddance to those "libertarians," I'd prefer an alliance with moderates like what we're getting with Johnson/Weld 2016.

But the article, of course, goes on to lump all libertarians alongside this minority of paleolibertarians. Reason Magazine? That's the cosmotarianest publication there is. The idea that they wanted Apartheid is ridiculous, and even if they had, there's no way that would have influenced the alt-right Trump supporters. There are no connections here.

Also, what is with OP mentioning the Tea Party? The Tea Party was never consistently libertarian, paleolibertarian, or whatever. Its supporters did not consistently support any particular candidate. It really doesn't fit this narrative at all.

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The same hole Goldwater attracted when he opposed the Civil Rights Act and rationalized state segregation, every single Libertarian candidate with the exception of Johnson (and Feldman) opposed the CRA if you watched the last libertarian debate.

Why did "every single Libertarian candidate with the exception of Johnson (and Feldman)" oppose the CRA? If your answer is "racism," you're wrong. If your answer is not "racism," then why bring it up?