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Question: Which third party candidates do you believe should be included in the debates?
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Gary Johnson (Libertarian)
 
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Jill Stein (Green)
 
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Darrell Castle (Constitution)
 
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Others
 
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None - Should be Clinton vs Trump
 
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« on: September 22, 2016, 06:26:56 PM »

I'm quite interested to see what the opinion on here is about whether any third party candidates should be included in the debates, regardless of the Commission on Presidential Debates decision to only allow candidates polling above 15% to take part.

Gary Johnson has ballot access to all 538 electoral votes, Jill Stein has acess to 480 (522 with write-in) electoral votes and Darrell Castle has ballot access to 207 (334 with write-ins) electoral votes. As you need 270 to win, all of these candidates could, theoretically, obtain enough electoral votes to win the Presidency.
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« Reply #1 on: September 22, 2016, 06:38:03 PM »

I'll vote for for Darrell Castle once his name appears on enough ballots for 270.
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« Reply #2 on: September 22, 2016, 07:23:41 PM »

If Michele Bachmann and Mike Gravel are good enough for the primary debates, then Gary Johnson and Jill Stein are good enough for the general debates.
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« Reply #3 on: September 22, 2016, 07:24:31 PM »

All the third party candidates who could theoretically win 270 EV's should be at the debates.
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« Reply #4 on: September 22, 2016, 07:27:08 PM »

Only Johnson. Stein is irrelevant, a kook, and not even on the ballot in every state.
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« Reply #5 on: September 22, 2016, 07:39:12 PM »

None. I might have given Johnson some wiggle room if he managed to poll over 15% in a few polls or averaged 12-14%. He hasn't done either. Glad to see the commission standing by their benchmarks this time, though I would be open to including electorally viable candidates on enough ballots in future elections.
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« Reply #6 on: September 22, 2016, 07:45:20 PM »

Jim Webb so he can zap some votes from Trump
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« Reply #7 on: September 22, 2016, 07:55:33 PM »

All the third party candidates who could theoretically win 270 EV's should be at the debates.
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« Reply #8 on: September 22, 2016, 08:05:36 PM »

Only Johnson. Stein is irrelevant, a kook, and not even on the ballot in every state.

Agreed.

Johnson and Weld are as qualified a ticket as any third party ticket since the Lafollette Progressives in 1924.

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« Reply #9 on: September 22, 2016, 08:09:11 PM »

Johnson and Stein
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« Reply #10 on: September 22, 2016, 08:11:10 PM »

I might have given Johnson some wiggle room if he

could actually tell us what a LEPO is.

Anyway, I voted for Johnson, but I'd be okay with several others as well.  


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« Reply #11 on: September 22, 2016, 08:17:36 PM »

None, obviously. Johnson and Stein are joke candidates. This election is between Clinton and Trump.
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« Reply #12 on: September 22, 2016, 08:18:06 PM »

None, obviously. Johnson and Stein are joke candidates. This election is between Clinton and Trump.

Trump is the biggest joke candidate of them all...
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« Reply #13 on: September 22, 2016, 08:20:39 PM »

None, obviously. Johnson and Stein are joke candidates. This election is between Clinton and Trump.
Trump is the biggest joke candidate of them all...
Could very well be, but he's the Republican nominee, and as such he is a serious contender for the presidency regardless of whether he is a joke / a nutter etc.
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« Reply #14 on: September 22, 2016, 08:46:44 PM »

All the third party candidates who could theoretically win 270 EV's should be at the debates.
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« Reply #15 on: September 22, 2016, 08:49:40 PM »

Anyone polling above 2% or so could absolutely affect the race. (See Nader, 2000). So Johnson and maybe Stein.
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« Reply #16 on: September 22, 2016, 08:50:52 PM »

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« Reply #17 on: September 22, 2016, 08:55:05 PM »

I would be open to changing the criteria for future elections, but given that the goalposts were set at 15% this time around, I don't believe any candidates other than Clinton or Trump should be featured.

I would support a motion to lower the threshold to 10%, and I would be open to changing it so that any candidate who is on the ballot in all 50 states would be allowed.

Perhaps there could be a staggered system where third-party candidates would have a less difficult threshold for getting into the first debates, but have to demonstrate momentum/competitiveness to be featured in the latter debates? For example, ballot access in all 50 states would be sufficient for Debate #1, but then Debate #2 would have a 15% threshold and perhaps something even more difficult for Debate #3.
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« Reply #18 on: September 22, 2016, 09:01:14 PM »


None, obviously. Johnson and Stein are joke candidates. This election is between Clinton and Trump.

Clearly its up to you to decide what a joke candidate is. 10-15% of American opinion should apparently just be regarded as a joke.
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« Reply #19 on: September 22, 2016, 09:05:59 PM »

If Johnson had reached 10% I'd think he should have been, but at his current polling level, in the 5-9% range, I'm neutral. No way any of the others ever had a reason to be considered this year.
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« Reply #20 on: September 22, 2016, 09:27:15 PM »

10-15% of American opinion should apparently just be regarded as a joke.
Much, much more than that, obviously.

Besides, Johnson does not actually reach that percentage.
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« Reply #21 on: September 22, 2016, 10:31:12 PM »

All of them, while Trump should be excluded on the grounds of being a Trump.
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« Reply #22 on: September 23, 2016, 08:50:36 AM »

None. The 15% criteria seems accurate/justified in my opinion. An additional criteria could be a second place poll in at least one state, but we haven’t even seen this.
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« Reply #23 on: September 23, 2016, 09:27:11 AM »

All candidates with access to enough EV's and who the public wants to see in the debate. I don't think the correct poll question is "If the election were held today, which candidate would you vote for?" to determine debate participation. Why not instead, "Would you like to see this candidate in the debates?" Johnson has a majority, and Stein a plurality on that.
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