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« on: September 23, 2016, 04:49:00 AM »
« edited: September 23, 2016, 05:02:01 AM by Doctor Imperialism »

With an LV screen:

Clinton 48
Trump 41
Neither 8
Other 1
Undecided 2
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« Reply #1 on: September 23, 2016, 04:58:29 AM »

So except for Rasmussen (which has really become a joke--but something that Trump and Hannity will quote constantly), the latest round of national polling has showed a clear uptick for Hillary.  State polling trends will follow accordingly.

I still think IA is beyond reach (too much establishment support for Trump, and Hillary has never been popular there).  But if it's 5-7 points now, that means FL, OH, and NC will be moving in Hillary's direction.  And no problems with NV or CO.

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« Reply #2 on: September 23, 2016, 05:03:36 AM »

So literally everyone who is not garbage agrees that Clinton leads by somewhere between Obama 2012 and Obama 2008. Neat.
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Southern Delegate matthew27
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« Reply #3 on: September 23, 2016, 05:08:22 AM »

Women support clinton by +23
Whites support Trump with only 55% overall. Romney got 59%. Clinton gets 41%!!!
Hispanics support Trump 19%
Blacks 6%

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« Reply #4 on: September 23, 2016, 05:13:27 AM »

So literally everyone who is not garbage agrees that Clinton leads by somewhere between Obama 2012 and Obama 2008. Neat.

Obama 2012 less Iowa plus North Carolina.
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« Reply #5 on: September 23, 2016, 05:15:59 AM »

Since this poll's tilt was a 14/15 point Hillary lead the last time this poll was released, 6/7 seems about right, given the poll's methodological lean.
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« Reply #6 on: September 23, 2016, 05:22:15 AM »


White 67%? This Poll is skewed for Hillary about 3-4%

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« Reply #7 on: September 23, 2016, 05:58:06 AM »


White 67%? This Poll is skewed for Hillary about 3-4%


Or, you know, the electorate is different this year than it was in 2012. Ever considered that?
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« Reply #8 on: September 23, 2016, 06:06:50 AM »

Good to see that the race as settled back to about Clinton +6!
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« Reply #9 on: September 23, 2016, 06:07:33 AM »


White 67%? This Poll is skewed for Hillary about 3-4%


Or, you know, the electorate is different this year than it was in 2012. Ever considered that?

The white share of the electorate probably isn't declining by 5% in one election. 70% seems more realistic.
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« Reply #10 on: September 23, 2016, 06:37:07 AM »

The white share of the electorate probably isn't declining by 5% in one election. 70% seems more realistic.

Agreed.  I think it might be as high as 72% just like 2012 given likely lower AA turnout and higher low educated White turnout.   To be fair this poll has 10% as "Other" under Race.  Not sure what that is about.
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« Reply #11 on: September 23, 2016, 06:37:30 AM »
« Edited: September 23, 2016, 06:39:49 AM by jaichind »

The same poll has Clinton +14 back in early Aug.  In 538 that +14 was adjusted to Clinton +8.  So I guess 538 will adjust this to Clinton +1 or something like that.  We will see.
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« Reply #12 on: September 23, 2016, 06:47:59 AM »

I think pollsters are betting on Trump driving up minority turn out.
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« Reply #13 on: September 23, 2016, 07:54:11 AM »

Blacks make up 13% of this nation and made up 13% of the electorate in 2012...Hispanics 17.6% but only 10% in 2012 of the electorate. I think if they're angry and scared this year that they could add another 2% to that electorate.
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« Reply #14 on: September 23, 2016, 08:14:03 AM »

Blacks make up 13% of this nation and made up 13% of the electorate in 2012...Hispanics 17.6% but only 10% in 2012 of the electorate. I think if they're angry and scared this year that they could add another 2% to that electorate.

That would still mean a 70% white electorate.
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« Reply #15 on: September 23, 2016, 08:17:23 AM »

Blacks make up 13% of this nation and made up 13% of the electorate in 2012...Hispanics 17.6% but only 10% in 2012 of the electorate. I think if they're angry and scared this year that they could add another 2% to that electorate.

That would still mean a 70% white electorate.

If hispanics came out as blacks did in 2012 they could make up their population share or 17.6%. That would push whites down into the mid 60's.
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« Reply #16 on: September 23, 2016, 08:19:53 AM »

The white share of the electorate probably isn't declining by 5% in one election. 70% seems more realistic.

Agreed.  I think it might be as high as 72% just like 2012 given likely lower AA turnout and higher low educated White turnout.   

One would expect college-educated White turnout to drop significantly. A lot of those Romney voters who can't vote for Trump, won't come out for Clinton or Johnson.
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« Reply #17 on: September 23, 2016, 09:20:55 AM »

Midwest
Trump 46%
Clinton 44%

Northeast
Clinton 57%
Trump 35%

South
Trump 48%
Clinton 43%

West
Clinton 54%
Trump 32%
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« Reply #18 on: September 23, 2016, 09:23:33 AM »

Midwest
Trump 46%
Clinton 44%

Northeast
Clinton 57%
Trump 35%

South
Trump 48%
Clinton 43%

West
Clinton 54%
Trump 32%


What if Emerson was RIGHT about IL... DUN DUN DUN!
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« Reply #19 on: September 23, 2016, 09:56:20 AM »

Good to see that the race as settled back to about Clinton +6!
I'm not sure that it is though. Yeah, some of the new national polls seem to indicate this, but others and most notably a bunch of state polls indicate a much tighter race. Also, there isn't much in the news to justify a return to +6 for Clinton.

But I certainly hope you are right and that the state polls will follow suit soon.
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« Reply #20 on: September 23, 2016, 10:01:03 AM »

Midwest
Trump 46%
Clinton 44%

Northeast
Clinton 57%
Trump 35%

South
Trump 48%
Clinton 43%

West
Clinton 54%
Trump 32%


I'm pretty sure all of the plains states are in the Midwest in these things.
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« Reply #21 on: September 23, 2016, 10:13:47 AM »

So literally everyone who is not garbage agrees that Clinton leads by somewhere between Obama 2012 and Obama 2008. Neat.

Obama 2012 less Iowa plus North Carolina.

I've been thinking that recently, too.  Ohio and ME-2 seem possible pickups beyond that for Trump; Georgia seems like a possible additional pickup for Clinton.
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« Reply #22 on: September 23, 2016, 10:27:46 AM »

Midwest
Trump 46%
Clinton 44%

Northeast
Clinton 57%
Trump 35%

South
Trump 48%
Clinton 43%

West
Clinton 54%
Trump 32%


I'm pretty sure all of the plains states are in the Midwest in these things.

Believe me
Marist Standard : OH,IA,PA = Midwest

http://www.nbcnews.com/politics/first-read/polls-clinton-ahead-or-even-midwest-battlegrounds-n608651
(July poll)
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« Reply #23 on: September 23, 2016, 10:35:02 AM »

Midwest
Trump 46%
Clinton 44%

Northeast
Clinton 57%
Trump 35%

South
Trump 48%
Clinton 43%

West
Clinton 54%
Trump 32%


I'm pretty sure all of the plains states are in the Midwest in these things.

Believe me
Marist Standard : OH,IA,PA = Midwest

http://www.nbcnews.com/politics/first-read/polls-clinton-ahead-or-even-midwest-battlegrounds-n608651
(July poll)
PA is midwest? Could be. But point raised: are Kansas, Oklahoma, Nebraska the Dakotas also Midwest?
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« Reply #24 on: September 23, 2016, 10:37:40 AM »

I imagine they are using the census defined regions:

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