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« on: September 24, 2016, 11:28:16 AM »

NY-Times: Obama Vetoes 9/11 Bill, but Congressional Override Is Expected

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A really bad decision. Saudi Arabia and its government officials should be hold accountable for their involvement in 9/11. We shouldn't care whether they are so called "allies" or not. Justice must be done for the victims and their families. So, no, Mr. President, it does not "undermine US interests".

The only good news is that congress is expected to override the veto. Hope this gets done in a bipartisan effort. This isn't something were Republicans and Democrats should fight but work together instead.

Too bad that there is no information how Clinton and Trump view this.

The problem is that if we do this, then we'll open the door for other countries to file lawsuits in their own courts against American companies (and lets be honest, our companies have directly or indirectly gotten plenty of innocent people killed in the Middle East).  This bill is one of those ideas that sounds great in theory, but would be a disaster if actually implemented.

good, hopefully they do
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« Reply #1 on: September 24, 2016, 04:09:25 PM »

Anyway, it's remarkable how quickly the Saudi stock has fallen across the west. Just a few years ago, the Saudis viewed Obama as a terrible appeaser to the Iranians with an ideological aversion to their inbred, lazy arses, and now he's acting as their sole defender against Congress. And the same thing is hapenning in Europe as well, and even in the Muslim world itself, what with embarassing Hajj stories etc (even freaking Sisi's regime is ambivalent to them nowadays). It's crazy that despite its huge amounts of cash, their soft power has been proven incredibly shallow - remarkably they somehow slipped behind the Kurds, who are stateless ex-communists, in soft power in Western capitals.
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« Reply #2 on: September 28, 2016, 03:29:22 PM »

I feel like there's more than meets the eye here. In this polarized era, every Member of Congress voting together, even though the media, the CIA, former Attorneys General, foreign governments, and so many others. Basically everyone outside of Congress thinks it's a terrible thing. Members like Senator Corker explain all the reservations they have about the bill, but then they go and vote for it anyway!

If I had to guess I think this is intentionally a complete break of the USA with the Saudi government. Obama and the CIA and etc are giving the appearances of opposing it so afterwards Obama can still negotiate with Saudi Arabia if necessary, rather than the US face an immediate removal of diplomatic ties.

see I would think that, if it weren't for the fact that only 27 Senators voted for the amendment against the Saudi arms deal, with Lindsey Graham concern-trolling about the Saudis being essential bulwarks against spooky spooky shias.
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