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« on: September 24, 2016, 11:06:09 AM »

http://www.sfgate.com/politics/article/Gary-Johnson-won-t-fight-climate-change-because-9242542.php

Why not? Well, because sun is going to grow into a huge fireball, incinerating the Earth in a global warming that no one will be able to deny.

The thing is, this fiery apocalypse won't occur for another 4 billion to 4-1/2 billion years. And since humankind has only been around for about 200,000 years, we still have a ways to go.

During the 2011 speech surfaced Tuesday by Mother Jones, Johnson conceded that humans are making the planet warmer in the short term, but he doesn't think it's worth spending vast amounts of money to combat it.

In August, he told the Los Angeles Times that he was "open" to a revenue-neutral tax on carbon emissions, but after a backlash from the right, he has since retreated from that position.

He now says he doubts that government policy can address climate issues.
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« Reply #1 on: September 24, 2016, 11:14:26 AM »

I remain ever more convinced that the purpose of the third parties is to make the mainstream candidates look good by comparison.
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« Reply #2 on: September 24, 2016, 11:19:04 AM »

I've never understood the "Republicans and Democrats are both flawed, so vote third party" logic. Who's to say third parties are any better?
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« Reply #3 on: September 24, 2016, 11:22:50 AM »

"I didn't conquer Mt. Everest. She lifted up her skirt and gave me a peek."

--Gary Johnson

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« Reply #4 on: September 24, 2016, 01:16:51 PM »

"I didn't conquer Mt. Everest. She lifted up her skirt and gave me a peek."

--Gary Johnson

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Not sure whether or not to like that, but it's a better metaphor than "conquering" a mountain, at least.
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« Reply #5 on: September 24, 2016, 01:19:29 PM »

Gary is a little bit on the cooky side.
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« Reply #6 on: September 24, 2016, 01:21:28 PM »

"I didn't conquer Mt. Everest. She lifted up her skirt and gave me a peek."

--Gary Johnson

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Not sure whether or not to like that, but it's a better metaphor than "conquering" a mountain, at least.
It was hilarious, especially given the movements his body made.
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« Reply #7 on: September 24, 2016, 01:21:34 PM »

I remain ever more convinced that the purpose of the third parties is to make the mainstream candidates look good by comparison.
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« Reply #8 on: September 24, 2016, 01:23:27 PM »

Gary is living, breathing evidence that smoking too much pot is dangerous.
He seems awkwardly goofy, forgetful, prone to saying dumb things, and remarkably low energy.
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« Reply #9 on: September 24, 2016, 02:20:30 PM »

He's funny and genuine.  You all forget he's a Libertarian. It's not government's job to solve all the problems; it's up the private sector.  It's individualism vs collectivism.
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« Reply #10 on: September 24, 2016, 02:28:03 PM »

I remain ever more convinced that the purpose of the third parties is to make the mainstream candidates look good by comparison.
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« Reply #11 on: September 24, 2016, 02:30:45 PM »

He's funny and genuine.  You all forget he's a Libertarian. It's not government's job to solve all the problems; it's up the private sector.  It's individualism vs collectivism.

We didn't forget he's a libertarian; we remembered that libertarianism is a terrible ideology.
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« Reply #12 on: September 24, 2016, 03:01:21 PM »

He's funny and genuine.  You all forget he's a Libertarian. It's not government's job to solve all the problems; it's up the private sector.  It's individualism vs collectivism.
Social ills can't be reduced to a simple dichotomy. I support a lot of his stances, but he goes way too far on  economic issues.
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« Reply #13 on: September 24, 2016, 03:05:47 PM »

He's funny and genuine.  You all forget he's a Libertarian. It's not government's job to solve all the problems; it's up the private sector.  It's individualism vs collectivism.

We didn't forget he's a libertarian; we remembered that libertarianism is a terrible ideology.

I feel the same way about collectivism/modern liberalism in most cases.
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« Reply #14 on: September 24, 2016, 03:09:02 PM »

Gary seems like a nice dude and all, and there are certainly well reasoned positions on many issues, but following on the heels of "Aleppogate" and essentially backtracking on climate change policy isn't going to help him with Libertarian persuadables, especially Millennial voters not too hip on either Clinton nor Trump.

It will be interesting to see if this has any impact on the margins with Millennial voters....
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« Reply #15 on: September 24, 2016, 03:10:52 PM »

He's funny and genuine.  You all forget he's a Libertarian. It's not government's job to solve all the problems; it's up the private sector.  It's individualism vs collectivism.
Social ills can't be reduced to a simple dichotomy. I support a lot of his stances, but he goes way too far on  economic issues.

No, but the President isn't some sort of demigod that has to have the answer to everything, nor does the FedGov have to have the answers to everything either. We have state and local governments with the aforementioned private sector.  I want multiple solutions to the same problem.
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« Reply #16 on: September 24, 2016, 03:12:04 PM »

Gary seems like a nice dude and all, and there are certainly well reasoned positions on many issues, but following on the heels of "Aleppogate" and essentially backtracking on climate change policy isn't going to help him with Libertarian persuadables, especially Millennial voters not too hip on either Clinton nor Trump.

It will be interesting to see if this has any impact on the margins with Millennial voters....

If he can't really get in the debates because of the rigged system, then he's not going to break 10% nationwide anyway.
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« Reply #17 on: September 24, 2016, 03:26:14 PM »

He's funny and genuine.  You all forget he's a Libertarian. It's not government's job to solve all the problems; it's up the private sector.  It's individualism vs collectivism.

We didn't forget he's a libertarian; we remembered that libertarianism is a terrible ideology.

I feel the same way about collectivism/modern liberalism in most cases.

OK.

He's funny and genuine.  You all forget he's a Libertarian. It's not government's job to solve all the problems; it's up the private sector.  It's individualism vs collectivism.
Social ills can't be reduced to a simple dichotomy. I support a lot of his stances, but he goes way too far on  economic issues.

No, but the President isn't some sort of demigod that has to have the answer to everything, nor does the FedGov have to have the answers to everything either. We have state and local governments with the aforementioned private sector.  I want multiple solutions to the same problem.

Climate change is an international issue. Nature doesn't give a f**k where the border between Colorado and Nebraska is. Multiple solutions are great, but right now Johnson has zero solutions.
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« Reply #18 on: September 24, 2016, 03:30:31 PM »

I remain ever more convinced that the purpose of the third parties is to make the mainstream candidates look good by comparison.
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« Reply #19 on: September 24, 2016, 03:36:55 PM »

I remain ever more convinced that the purpose of the third parties is to make the mainstream candidates look good by comparison.

I think that the reason is because the types of people who vote for and run in third parties tend to have views that are crazy anyway. If the election system was somehow changed so that a multiparty system was possible, then reasonable third parties might develop.
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« Reply #20 on: September 24, 2016, 03:41:25 PM »

He's funny and genuine.  You all forget he's a Libertarian. It's not government's job to solve all the problems; it's up the private sector.  It's individualism vs collectivism.
Social ills can't be reduced to a simple dichotomy. I support a lot of his stances, but he goes way too far on  economic issues.

No, but the President isn't some sort of demigod that has to have the answer to everything, nor does the FedGov have to have the answers to everything either. We have state and local governments with the aforementioned private sector.  I want multiple solutions to the same problem.

No, but they certainly aren't something that just sits idle either while a bunch of underpowered and fractured governments struggle to figure out something.

Nor do they wait for big-wigs who inherently only move when profits start to hurt, and climate change ain't something to dawdle over.
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« Reply #21 on: September 24, 2016, 04:02:35 PM »

I wouldn't be surprised if the Clinton campaign tipped off mother Jones.  Obviously they are loosing millenial support to Johnson (and Stein). They can't have her atack Johnson directly or even have surrogates do it. But you know their oppo team are digging and this seems tailor made to hurt Johnson with millenials who care about climate change as a top issue.   


 I suspect there will be more embarrassing Johnson and Stein stuff revealed in the form ng weeks. There are about 4-5% of voters who say they will vote for Clinton until prompted with Johnson orStein. Those voter are very gettable. 
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« Reply #22 on: September 24, 2016, 04:15:37 PM »

I wouldn't be surprised if the Clinton campaign tipped off mother Jones.  Obviously they are loosing millenial support to Johnson (and Stein). They can't have her atack Johnson directly or even have surrogates do it. But you know their oppo team are digging and this seems tailor made to hurt Johnson with millenials who care about climate change as a top issue.   


 I suspect there will be more embarrassing Johnson and Stein stuff revealed in the form ng weeks. There are about 4-5% of voters who say they will vote for Clinton until prompted with Johnson orStein. Those voter are very gettable. 

Agree on this....

Team Clinton needs to go lightly on Johnson, for many obvious reasons, but the reality is that many who currently say they will vote for him in a four way race aren't very aware of some of his actual policy positions on issues that matter to them.

Now in many "Safe D" and "Safe R" states protest votes for a 3rd party candidate won't make a difference (Although overall Clinton could gain an additional 1-1.5% on the national margins with consolidation of Millennials) but rather "tossup" states like NV/FL/NC and even possibly cracking the firewall in CO or WI.
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« Reply #23 on: September 28, 2016, 02:17:11 AM »

Just want to bump this to remind all the humiliated folks who now want to abandon Trump for Johnson that Johnson is a f**king idiot too and your only choice to not vote for an idiot is Hillary Clinton.
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« Reply #24 on: September 28, 2016, 02:36:02 AM »

If he doesn't want to fight climate change because the sun is going to swallow the planet sooner or later, then why does he care about fighting big government largess and wasteful spending?
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