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King of Kensington
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« on: September 24, 2016, 10:58:05 PM »
« edited: September 24, 2016, 11:15:38 PM by King of Kensington »

Canada and Newfoundland foreign stock for selected states (and percentage of state population)

Top 10 states

Massachusetts  746,647  23%
Michigan  500,548  10.3%
New York  350,998  2.8%
California  226,478  4%
Maine  192,904  24.2%
New Hampshire  137,920  29.6%
Illinois  122,705  1.6%
Rhode Island  111,162  16.2%
Washington  104,753  6.7%
Connecticut  97,775  6.1%

By percentage of state population

New Hampshire  137,920  29.6%
Maine  192,904  24.2%
Massachusetts  746,647  23%
Vermont  74,206  20.6%
Rhode Island  111,162  16.2%
Michigan  500,548  10.3%
Washington  104,753  6.7%
Connecticut  97,775  6.1%
North Dakota  40,207  5.9%
Montana  31,665  5.9%



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« Reply #1 on: September 24, 2016, 11:04:52 PM »

French Canadians

Massachusetts  336,871  7.9%
New Hampshire  101,324  21.8%
Rhode Island  91,173  13.3%
Maine  90,765  11.4%
Michigan  87,911  1.8%
New York  83,057  0.7%
Connecticut  67,130  4.2%
Vermont  46,956  13.1%

Newfoundlanders

Massachusetts  21,847  0.5%
New York  10,354  (less than 0.1%)

Not sure if "Canada - French" = Quebec or if it's determined by mother tongue.
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« Reply #2 on: September 24, 2016, 11:17:01 PM »

Didn't realize Massachusetts was such a popular destination.
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« Reply #3 on: September 24, 2016, 11:26:32 PM »

Boston was the "big city" for Maritimers pre-WWII.  I believe the Bruins are still the most popular NHL team in the region and that the Red Sox have a bigger following than the Blue Jays.

Generally New England was the destination for immigrants from Quebec, the Maritimes and Newfoundland, while Ontarians often went to Michigan and spread westward from there.

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« Reply #4 on: September 24, 2016, 11:31:54 PM »

lol! The Bruins are not the most popular team in Atlantic Canada. They are a distant 3rd behind the Habs and the Leafs (I've done polling to back this up). And the Red Sox are only popular with olds. Overall, I'd say there are still more Jays fans.
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« Reply #5 on: September 24, 2016, 11:33:11 PM »

That's the last time I will comment on sports.
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« Reply #6 on: September 24, 2016, 11:47:46 PM »

Ha!

I get it though, there is, at least historically, a strong connection between the Maritimes and New England.  During the Great Depression, impoverished Maritimers would head south to find work. Today though, they tend to head west. The U.S. is not necessarily seen as the best option for a better life.
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« Reply #7 on: September 25, 2016, 12:37:53 AM »

I have a great-grandfather included in these statistics.  It's part of the reason why altho I have ancestors who were in the colonies in the 17th century, I have no ancestors who fought on either side of the American Civil War.  They either cane here after that war or hadn't yet returned from Canada by the time that war happened.
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« Reply #8 on: September 25, 2016, 01:55:28 AM »

I have a great-grandfather included in these statistics.  It's part of the reason why altho I have ancestors who were in the colonies in the 17th century, I have no ancestors who fought on either side of the American Civil War.  They either cane here after that war or hadn't yet returned from Canada by the time that war happened.

Were they United Empire Loyalists or did they go north in some other context?
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« Reply #9 on: September 25, 2016, 07:44:01 AM »

Ha!

I get it though, there is, at least historically, a strong connection between the Maritimes and New England.  During the Great Depression, impoverished Maritimers would head south to find work. Today though, they tend to head west. The U.S. is not necessarily seen as the best option for a better life.

Pretty much. The destination city changes by generation if my family is any indication. My grandparents went to Boston, my parents to Toronto, and my brother in law lives in Calgary Tongue
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« Reply #10 on: September 25, 2016, 09:11:48 AM »

Of course, Atlantic Canadians moving west is nothing new. I believe it was quite common for them to 'immigrate' to Ontario in the 19th century. A lot of established Ontarian families have roots in the east coast (myself included).
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« Reply #11 on: September 25, 2016, 05:44:54 PM »

lol! The Bruins are not the most popular team in Atlantic Canada. They are a distant 3rd behind the Habs and the Leafs (I've done polling to back this up). And the Red Sox are only popular with olds. Overall, I'd say there are still more Jays fans.
What about Red Wings and Sabres fans in southern Ontario?  Or for that matter, Lions and Tigers, oh my!
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« Reply #12 on: September 26, 2016, 01:14:09 AM »

I have a great-grandfather included in these statistics.  It's part of the reason why altho I have ancestors who were in the colonies in the 17th century, I have no ancestors who fought on either side of the American Civil War.  They either cane here after that war or hadn't yet returned from Canada by the time that war happened.

Were they United Empire Loyalists or did they go north in some other context?

UEL  They were on the losing side of the Colonial Tax Revolt.
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« Reply #13 on: September 26, 2016, 09:18:47 AM »

Didn't realize Massachusetts was such a popular destination.

They went all over New England, and Massachusetts is the most populous state. I am surprised it's higher than Maine or New Hampshire, though.
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« Reply #14 on: September 26, 2016, 10:07:28 AM »
« Edited: September 26, 2016, 10:10:35 AM by 🍁 Hatman »

lol! The Bruins are not the most popular team in Atlantic Canada. They are a distant 3rd behind the Habs and the Leafs (I've done polling to back this up). And the Red Sox are only popular with olds. Overall, I'd say there are still more Jays fans.
What about Red Wings and Sabres fans in southern Ontario?  Or for that matter, Lions and Tigers, oh my!


Essex County (Windsor area) has an even Red Wings / Leafs split. The further away you get the weaker the support for the Wings is (and the stronger the Leafs support is).

Sabres support is near non existent. I've heard of Sabres fans in the Niagara Region, but our polling doesn't back it up. It's mostly Leafs country.

From what I've seen from Facebook stats, Essex County supports the Tigers. No idea about NFL support, but I'd imagine it's (Detroit) Lions country, since there are no Canadian teams. Much of southern Ontario doesn't care about the CFL, so I'd imagine there are far more Lions fans than of any CFL team.
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« Reply #15 on: September 26, 2016, 11:27:55 PM »

lol! The Bruins are not the most popular team in Atlantic Canada. They are a distant 3rd behind the Habs and the Leafs (I've done polling to back this up). And the Red Sox are only popular with olds. Overall, I'd say there are still more Jays fans.
What about Red Wings and Sabres fans in southern Ontario?  Or for that matter, Lions and Tigers, oh my!


Essex County (Windsor area) has an even Red Wings / Leafs split. The further away you get the weaker the support for the Wings is (and the stronger the Leafs support is).

Sabres support is near non existent. I've heard of Sabres fans in the Niagara Region, but our polling doesn't back it up. It's mostly Leafs country.

From what I've seen from Facebook stats, Essex County supports the Tigers. No idea about NFL support, but I'd imagine it's (Detroit) Lions country, since there are no Canadian teams. Much of southern Ontario doesn't care about the CFL, so I'd imagine there are far more Lions fans than of any CFL team.
My g-grandmother who would have been in the 1930 US Census, emigrated from Southern Ontario (about 50 miles north of London, 50 miles WNW of Kitchener). I see London and Kitchener are kind of on the list for a CFL franchise, but behind the Maritimes, Quebec City, Saskatoon, and Victoria, but nobody seems to want to upgrade a stadium. London appears to be favored over Kitchener because it is further from Hamilton (and Toronto).
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« Reply #16 on: September 27, 2016, 08:37:15 AM »

lol! The Bruins are not the most popular team in Atlantic Canada. They are a distant 3rd behind the Habs and the Leafs (I've done polling to back this up). And the Red Sox are only popular with olds. Overall, I'd say there are still more Jays fans.
What about Red Wings and Sabres fans in southern Ontario?  Or for that matter, Lions and Tigers, oh my!


Essex County (Windsor area) has an even Red Wings / Leafs split. The further away you get the weaker the support for the Wings is (and the stronger the Leafs support is).

Sabres support is near non existent. I've heard of Sabres fans in the Niagara Region, but our polling doesn't back it up. It's mostly Leafs country.

From what I've seen from Facebook stats, Essex County supports the Tigers. No idea about NFL support, but I'd imagine it's (Detroit) Lions country, since there are no Canadian teams. Much of southern Ontario doesn't care about the CFL, so I'd imagine there are far more Lions fans than of any CFL team.
My g-grandmother who would have been in the 1930 US Census, emigrated from Southern Ontario (about 50 miles north of London, 50 miles WNW of Kitchener). I see London and Kitchener are kind of on the list for a CFL franchise, but behind the Maritimes, Quebec City, Saskatoon, and Victoria, but nobody seems to want to upgrade a stadium. London appears to be favored over Kitchener because it is further from Hamilton (and Toronto).


Realistically, Quebec City or Halifax might get a team in the distant future. Everyone else is a pipe dream. Though, London does get good crowds for their university team (Western).
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« Reply #17 on: September 27, 2016, 11:37:10 PM »

Some interesting data on Maritimers here.  The 1870 and 1880 censuses had data for provinces.

While a majority from all three Maritime provinces were in Massachusetts and Maine, Mass. was the destination for half or more for those from Nova Scotia and PEI, with few going to Maine.  One third of those from New Brunswick were in Maine, outnumbering those in Mass.

https://journals.lib.unb.ca/index.php/Acadiensis/article/download/11407/12157

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« Reply #18 on: September 28, 2016, 07:43:25 PM »
« Edited: September 28, 2016, 10:08:04 PM by King of Kensington »

From the 1931 Canadian census.

Born in Newfoundland:  26,410

Nova Scotia  11,569
Ontario  6,076
Quebec  4,330

The largest concentration of Newfoundlanders was Cape Breton where 6,970 lived (7.5% of the population).  Sydney had 2,166 (9.4%).  Halifax (2,598), Montreal (2,278) and Toronto (2,784) had similar numbers.  

Born in Maritimes

Ontario  21,329 (11,739 in Nova Scotia, 7,939 in New Brunswick, 1,651 in PEI)
Quebec  18,881 (11,499 in New Brunswick, 6,418 in Nova Scotia, 964 in PEI)

Montreal  8,258 (4,305 in New Brunswick, 3,512 in Nova Scotia, 441 in PEI)
Toronto  5,233 (2,960 in Nova Scotia, 1,876 in New Brunswick, 397 in PEI)

Ontario and Quebec had similar numbers of Maritimers, though Quebec drew more from New Brunswick and Ontario from Nova Scotia/PEI.
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« Reply #19 on: September 28, 2016, 08:33:19 PM »
« Edited: September 28, 2016, 08:52:15 PM by King of Kensington »

US-born population, 1931

Alberta  78,959  10.8%
Saskatchewan  73,008  7.9%
Ontario  72,525  2.1%
Quebec  49,406  1.7%
British Columbia  34,706  5%
Manitoba  17,903  2.6%
New Brunswick  8,794  2.2%
Nova Scotia  7,222  1.4%

English mother tongue among US-born

British Columbia  88.6%
Nova Scotia  88.5%
Ontario  82.8%
Alberta  75.9% (10% German, 9% Scandinavian languages)
New Brunswick  67.6% (31% French)
Manitoba  65.8% (10% French, 9% German, 8% Scandinavian languages)
Saskatchewan  61% (16% Scandinavian languages, 15% German)
Quebec  30.5% (64% French)

I didn't bother with PEI and the territories.
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« Reply #20 on: September 28, 2016, 08:55:07 PM »

From the 1931 Canadian census.

Born in Newfoundland:  26,410

Nova Scotia  11,569
Ontario  6,076
Quebec  4,330

The largest concentration of Newfoundlanders was Cape Breton where 6,970 lived (7.5% of the population).  Sydney had 2,166 (9.4%).  Halifax (2,598), Montreal (2,278) an Toronto (2,784) had similar numbers.  

Born in Maritimes

Ontario  21,329 (11,739 in Nova Scotia, 7,939 in New Brunswick, 1,651 in PEI)
Quebec  18,881 (11,499 in New Brunswick, 6,418 in New Brunswick, 964 in PEI)
I assume 6,418 from Nova Scotia, with more Francophones from New Brunswick moving to Quebec?

Montreal  8,258 (4,305 in New Brunswick, 3,512 in Nova Scotia, 441 in PEI)
This would mean 7,194 NB to Quebec outside Montreal, vs. 2,906 NS to Quebec outside Montreal. Someone who was an Anglophone could function in Montreal, less so outside, except the English counties. Does the census have breakdowns to other areas of Quebec?

Has the Francophone share of NB declined over time?
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« Reply #21 on: September 29, 2016, 05:01:13 PM »

I think Quebec had a fairly high English population outside Montreal in 1930. Many cities had wealthy neighbourhoods where the Anglos lived.

And yes, the Fancophone population of New Brunswick has gone down over time. Same with all provinces except Quebec.
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« Reply #22 on: September 29, 2016, 05:25:37 PM »
« Edited: September 29, 2016, 05:27:14 PM by King of Kensington »

In addition to Maritimers and Quebecers in New England and of Ontarians in Michigan, you can sort of see an extension of the Dakotas in the Prairie provinces.
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