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« on: September 25, 2016, 04:22:58 PM »

http://www.cbsnews.com/news/bernie-sanders-2016-is-not-the-time-for-a-protest-vote/

Further cements the fact that real progressives are the ones who follow Bernie's lead and vote Clinton.
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« Reply #1 on: September 25, 2016, 04:24:54 PM »

Hilarious coming from a guy who was a protest vote.
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« Reply #2 on: September 25, 2016, 04:27:32 PM »

I find it amazing that the man who was literally worshiped by millions of of pot-smoking socialists across the country can't convince the people who were kissing his ass to vote for the Democratic nominee. Instead, they're all voting for a guy who's further to the right on economics than Milton Friedman because of marijuana. The stupidity of the American voter must never be underestimated, but it will never cease to amaze me.
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« Reply #3 on: September 25, 2016, 04:32:40 PM »

I applaud him for trying, but the people he's reaching out to are already long gone. They weren't going to vote for Clinton ever. At the very least, maybe all the people who will blame him if Clinton loses can shut up. Oh wait, they never will.
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« Reply #4 on: September 25, 2016, 04:46:38 PM »

Bernie needs better messaging than this.  Just saying that it's not the time for a protest vote won't change anything because it allows his supporters to look into that statement and falsely equivocate that Bernie really is saying Clinton is bad but Trump is worse.  He needs to speak positively of Clinton and sell her as a real progressive; which is a hard sell for his supporters after he did the opposite during the primaries.

Agreed, he hasn't been doing nearly enough to ensure that orange turbo-Bush doesn't destroy everything he's worked for over the next four years.
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« Reply #5 on: September 25, 2016, 04:48:03 PM »

Bernie is a FF, and Hillary should consider herself lucky she had him as an opponent.
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« Reply #6 on: September 25, 2016, 04:48:07 PM »

I find it amazing that the man who was literally worshiped by millions of of pot-smoking socialists across the country can't convince the people who were kissing his ass to vote for the Democratic nominee. Instead, they're all voting for a guy who's further to the right on economics than Milton Friedman because of marijuana. The stupidity of the American voter must never be underestimated, but it will never cease to amaze me.

The idea that all, or even most, or even that many, of Bernie Sanders' supporters supported socialist policies is quite incorrect. Support for Sanders was (like support for Trump, actually) very much a cultural phenomenon.
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« Reply #7 on: September 25, 2016, 04:53:21 PM »

I think the  key group they need to get to are first time voters. Polling has shown Clinton's biggest weakness vs. 3rd parties is with the youngest voters. They were too young to remember the Gore/Nader thing and really didn't pay attention to the Bush years.  These are people that probably were too young or didn't vote for Obama in 2008 or 2012 so their first time that they were politically active and interested was through Sanders and his 'revolution'.  Clinton is just seen as part of the 'system' that needs to be changed and another member of the evil corrupt elite 1%. 

And of course, part of the reason they believe that is because that was Sanders message for 12 months. Not sure how you turn that perception around by election day. Maybe Sanders needs to say he was just kidding.
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« Reply #8 on: September 25, 2016, 07:52:51 PM »

Well, both his stance and its (lack of) effect is indicative of the same thing. His primary support was not due to many Americans somehow agreeing with him on policy. He was just an accidental and temporary beneficiary of the horrible thing that has been building. Bernie Sanders himself is a very decent person, albeit a bit anachronistic in his Bundist ideas and ideals. Many of his supporters, though, were the deplorables, searching for a cause. Well, now they found Trump.
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« Reply #9 on: September 25, 2016, 08:01:07 PM »

A "protest vote"? Jesus, Bernie, you really did become a Democrat.

From someone who himself ran apart from the two-party structure and has, on multiple occasions, championed third parties, this is troubling. Not unexpected in the least, as the Democratic line has been in fear-mode for months now, but disappointing. Needless to say, just as when Sanders first endorsed Clinton, this will not bring his supporters to fold on their values and vote Clinton.
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« Reply #10 on: September 25, 2016, 08:06:26 PM »

I understand that most people are dumb to not understand this. But Sanders is possibly the biggest thing to happen to American politics in the last many decades. The last major politician in the last half-century was Reagan who shifted the political discourse & then you have Sanders bringing issues people are afraid to bring, showing progressives are more electable than moderates & most of all shifting the country & a generation leftward.

Today Coloradocare who is throwing Obamacare in the bin is winning all polls done convincingly despite the entire Republican Leadership & major Dem Senators, Governors with big lobbyist & Corporate money against it. I have never been wrong about this - Sanders will go down in history as the most influential politician when he will inspire a generation of politicians!

As for the protest vote thing, Sanders ran the closest Primary in Modern history for Dems after 2008 winning 22 states. I mean he won ND, MT & got 49% odd in SD & NM when Clinton had won the race. Now if that is ONLY a protest vote, then you are admitting then Clinton is the most pathetic candidate ever.

There are huge differences between a Bernie & Clinton supporter. For one most Clinton supporters are dumb. Bernie supporters are MUCH MUCH more concerned about the issues. For a Bernie supporter it is more about the future of the progressive movement than Bernie being elected alone. Clinton supporters just support the brand Clinton & personality, I mean Hillary could kill someone & dumb people here would still defend it.

It is natural that Bernie's supporters, especially young people will vote as their discretion. Bernie has based a campaign on "US" not him, a campaign where he repeatedly said none of his supporters are stupid to be told what to do, they have a mind of their human beings & respectfully politicians have to make the case to them.

I know it is hard to understand when you blindly vote for them. Bernie has gone out of his way to help a corrupt candidate who win a screwed up & partisan system. But ultimately Clinton has to make the case - She has to EARN those votes, younger people are not dumb like Super pac paid people in this forum!
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« Reply #11 on: September 25, 2016, 08:08:11 PM »

I find it amazing that the man who was literally worshiped by millions of of pot-smoking socialists across the country can't convince the people who were kissing his ass to vote for the Democratic nominee. Instead, they're all voting for a guy who's further to the right on economics than Milton Friedman because of marijuana. The stupidity of the American voter must never be underestimated, but it will never cease to amaze me.

Not all of them.

But, if you want to write about “the stupidity of the American voter,” make sure to focus on everyone—even if this includes you—who voted the 2016 Democratic presidential nomination to Hillary Clinton.
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« Reply #12 on: September 25, 2016, 08:12:06 PM »

I do agree that he needs stronger messaging, but I think that there are still some voters he can reach out to. He can't do it by only talking about Trump. Nearly everyone who supported him in the primaries already hates Trump, he has to tell the holdouts why they should vote for Hillary, and not just against Trump.
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« Reply #13 on: September 25, 2016, 08:12:48 PM »

He needs to speak positively of Clinton and sell her as a real progressive; which is a hard sell for his supporters after he did the opposite during the primaries.

It's a hard sell cause it's a lie and Clinton supporters will step on any Bernie supporter's face just to feel better about themselves.
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« Reply #14 on: September 25, 2016, 08:14:47 PM »

Bernie needs better messaging than this.  Just saying that it's not the time for a protest vote won't change anything because it allows his supporters to look into that statement and falsely equivocate that Bernie really is saying Clinton is bad but Trump is worse.  He needs to speak positively of Clinton and sell her as a real progressive; which is a hard sell for his supporters after he did the opposite during the primaries.

Agreed, he hasn't been doing nearly enough to ensure that orange turbo-Bush doesn't destroy everything he's worked for over the next four years.

Given that the DNC screwed him and all his primaries voters, Bernie Sanders is doing more than necessary. It is not up to him to win this election. He is not the Democratic nominee. It is up to Hillary Clinton to win this election. If Hillary Clinton cannot beat Donald Trump, it will be her failure.
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« Reply #15 on: September 25, 2016, 08:35:18 PM »

Bernie "sellout" Sanders. I won't be supporting him again.
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« Reply #16 on: September 25, 2016, 11:11:49 PM »

Goodness. Poor Bernie.

He is being attacked by his far too idealistic supporters as being a "sellout" for saying that this isn't the time for a protest vote. He didn't even say anything horrible about third parties, just that in this political climate there are two candidates that can win, Hillary Clinton and Donald Trump. By voting third party, you are indirectly supporting Donald Trump, and we CANNOT have that.

And he's being attacked by idiotic Hillary hacks (or whatever you are) for even running, and now is "too late" to do anything.

C'mon people. Stop it.
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« Reply #17 on: September 25, 2016, 11:16:45 PM »

Bernie "sellout" Sanders. I won't be supporting him again.

you were never his audience.

God bless Bernie.
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« Reply #18 on: September 25, 2016, 11:22:26 PM »

This will be surprising to hear from me, but I agree with Sanders here.  Voting for third parties that can't win is always a waste.  I don't really get the point of not voting for the major party candidate that you agree with more.  I don't love Trump, and I like some of the third parties (but not Johnson or Stein) better, but that is a waste.  People should just vote for whichever one they are closer to of Trump and Clinton, but I'll take it if there are a bunch of stupid liberals who vote for people who won't win instead of the liberal that could win.
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« Reply #19 on: September 26, 2016, 12:46:35 AM »

I like Sanders but he really needs to campaign harder for Clinton and downballot candidates here.
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« Reply #20 on: September 26, 2016, 01:50:11 AM »
« Edited: September 26, 2016, 02:11:20 AM by Siren »

No, all third party votes do not help Trump.  The several republicans/libertarians that supported Mitt Romney last time but are voting Johnson this time are helping Clinton by forcing Trump to make up votes that would have been pretty reliable in almost any other election.  Third party votes in places like NY, CA, OK, WY, etc, are also not helping anyone because those states are not going to swing.

Hearing young people make jaded arguments against idealism would be and is incredibly troubling.
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« Reply #21 on: September 26, 2016, 02:12:14 AM »

http://www.cbsnews.com/news/bernie-sanders-2016-is-not-the-time-for-a-protest-vote/

Further cements the fact that real progressives are the ones who follow Bernie's lead and vote Clinton.

Actually, Sanders might think like this
#TRUMP2016! then i will have better chance
to be the democratic nominee in 2020

But He have to pretend #Hillary2016. (His dilemma.)




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« Reply #22 on: September 26, 2016, 08:03:56 AM »

http://www.cbsnews.com/news/bernie-sanders-2016-is-not-the-time-for-a-protest-vote/

Further cements the fact that real progressives are the ones who follow Bernie's lead and vote Clinton.

Actually, Sanders might think like this
#TRUMP2016! then i will have better chance
to be the democratic nominee in 2020

But He have to pretend #Hillary2016. (His dilemma.)






lol.no
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