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« on: September 27, 2016, 12:26:55 PM »

Breitbart/Gravis (2-way) Trump +5
Trump 48%
Clinton 43%
Other 6%
Undecided 3%

Did you change your mind?
No 95%
Yes 5%

Who did you change your mind to?
Trump - Net 52%
Clinton - Net 29%

890 RV; September 26, 2016; MOE +/- 3.3%

This is despite Clinton "winning" the debate by a narrow 48-43 margin.

Source: https://www.scribd.com/document/325456792/National-Poll-September-26-2016-Post-Debate-Poll
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« Reply #1 on: September 27, 2016, 12:29:48 PM »

1-day window (plus Gravis/Breitbart) is pretty much a junk poll, though I do find the "Did you change your mind?" figures interesting.  I hope we can see a similar question in future polls so we can better gauge the impact of the debate.
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« Reply #2 on: September 27, 2016, 12:30:07 PM »
« Edited: September 27, 2016, 12:31:49 PM by Maxwell »

lol okay thanks Gravis finally managed to hack their numbers into a Trump win.

It's amazing Trump only leads by 5 in a poll with 55% of the population saying they are conservative!

Throw out the Trashvis!
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« Reply #3 on: September 27, 2016, 12:30:57 PM »

Gorgeous, I just knew such a perfect performance had to help Trump. It had to.
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« Reply #4 on: September 27, 2016, 12:32:46 PM »

It's amazing Trump only leads by 5 in a poll with 55% of the population saying they are conservative!

Throw out the Trashvis!
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« Reply #5 on: September 27, 2016, 12:34:33 PM »

I dont think this poll is meant to be used as a national poll.
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« Reply #6 on: September 27, 2016, 12:34:44 PM »
« Edited: September 27, 2016, 12:37:15 PM by StatesPoll »

Breitbart/Gravis (2-way) Trump +5
Trump 48%
Clinton 43%
Other 6%
Undecided 3%

Did you change your mind?
No 95%
Yes 5%

Who did you change your mind to?
Trump - Net 52%
Clinton - Net 29%

890 RV; September 26, 2016; MOE +/- 3.3%

This is despite Clinton "winning" the debate by a narrow 48-43 margin.

Source: https://www.scribd.com/document/325456792/National-Poll-September-26-2016-Post-Debate-Poll

Demographics is very interesting.

White 66% | Black 16% | Hispanic 15% | Asian 3%

undersampled white about 6-7%, oversampled black 2-3%, oversampled hispanic 4.5%

it could be adjusted as TRUMP +11~12% or even better.

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I really don't get it why Gravis used skewed demographics for TRUMP at NC Poll(White 81 | Black 10). and just after, They used skewed demographics for Hillary at the National Poll(White 66 | Black 16 | Hispanic 15 )
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« Reply #7 on: September 27, 2016, 12:37:42 PM »

Lmfao. Why are they so predictable? Anyone with half a brain could see when Gravis was releasing polls with Clinton up it was so they could do this after the debate.

There is no way Gravis has ever actually polled a single person. Their blatant fraud makes Research 2000 look like Gallup.
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« Reply #8 on: September 27, 2016, 12:39:15 PM »

I dont think this poll is meant to be used as a national poll.
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« Reply #9 on: September 27, 2016, 12:39:47 PM »

Lmfao. Why are they so predictable? Anyone with half a brain could see when Gravis was releasing polls with Clinton up it was so they could do this after the debate.

There is no way Gravis has ever actually polled a single person. Their blatant fraud makes Research 2000 look like Gallup.

Gravis is a legitimate pollster. You can question their methodology, if you'd like, but they are actually calling people.
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« Reply #10 on: September 27, 2016, 12:41:27 PM »

i guess gravis was afraid of losing their trumpbart commission.

9 point swing or am i missing something?
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« Reply #11 on: September 27, 2016, 12:42:12 PM »

Sad...It seems that a lot of polls this year have lost all sense of respectability.
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« Reply #12 on: September 27, 2016, 12:45:03 PM »

i guess gravis was afraid of losing their trumpbart commission.

9 point swing or am i missing something?

But at this Time Gravis Poll demographics isn't pro-TRUMP at all

White 66% | Black 16% | Hispanic 15% | Asian 3%
obviously pro-hillary samples.

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« Reply #13 on: September 27, 2016, 01:07:37 PM »

Sad...It seems that a lot of polls this year have lost all sense of respectability.

J. J.'s First Rule of Elections:  When a candidate/supporter says that the polls are not accurate, that candidate has lost.
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« Reply #14 on: September 27, 2016, 01:09:33 PM »

Sad...It seems that a lot of polls this year have lost all sense of respectability.

J. J.'s First Rule of Elections:  When a candidate/supporter says that the polls are not accurate, that candidate has lost.

didn't you JUST do that with the last PPP poll?
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« Reply #15 on: September 27, 2016, 01:15:42 PM »

lol Gravis
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« Reply #16 on: September 27, 2016, 01:16:29 PM »

Lmfao. Why are they so predictable? Anyone with half a brain could see when Gravis was releasing polls with Clinton up it was so they could do this after the debate.

There is no way Gravis has ever actually polled a single person. Their blatant fraud makes Research 2000 look like Gallup.

Gravis is a legitimate pollster. You can question their methodology, if you'd like, but they are actually calling people.

And in fact, I was called by them (a robopoll) on Sep. 19.
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« Reply #17 on: September 27, 2016, 01:34:49 PM »

lol okay thanks Gravis finally managed to hack their numbers into a Trump win.

It's amazing Trump only leads by 5 in a poll with 55% of the population saying they are conservative!

Throw out the Trashvis!
55%? That's like 20% more than Gallup. Absurd. No debate performance is ever going to change how 20% of the electorate thinks about themselves like that
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« Reply #18 on: September 27, 2016, 02:46:43 PM »

lol okay thanks Gravis finally managed to hack their numbers into a Trump win.

It's amazing Trump only leads by 5 in a poll with 55% of the population saying they are conservative!

Throw out the Trashvis!

Yes, but the D/R split is 38/33 which seems reasonable.  Perhaps they oversampled Conservative Democrats (which is the group most likely to swing to Trump this election anyway.)
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« Reply #19 on: September 27, 2016, 02:48:22 PM »

LOL Gravis
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« Reply #20 on: September 27, 2016, 02:53:45 PM »

While I find it hard to believe that Trump is ahead by 5 after the debate Gravis was a legitimate pollster in 2012 and while it had a R lean in various battleground polls it was not too far off.  I believe 538 gives it a B- rating which is not great but credible. 
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« Reply #21 on: September 27, 2016, 02:54:27 PM »

We need more polls to see if this is true (or that the race remains tied, which is more likely).
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« Reply #22 on: September 27, 2016, 02:56:32 PM »

Uh oh.  The Atlas echo chamber confirmation bias rears its ugly head.

Some people might not like Gravis' methdology, but they called 890 more random people than anyone in the debate night thread did.
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« Reply #23 on: September 27, 2016, 02:59:58 PM »

This directly contradicts all other polls about the debate, though. Unless you consider internet "surveys" where it's incredibly convenientto vote a dozen times "polls".
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« Reply #24 on: September 27, 2016, 03:09:15 PM »

besides the fact that the polls have been all over the place quite for some time and trump could surely be ahead right now and on nov. 8....

.... if this debate performance has anything to do with it or is anyone's idea of a trump triumph, i than we are all doomed. Wink
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