PPP National: Clinton +4

[heatcharger]

Just announced on Maddow's show... full results tomorrow.

Clinton - 44%
Trump - 40%
Johnson - 6%
McMuffin - 2%
Stein - 1%

Clinton - 49%
Trump - 45%

Conducted Sept. 27-28.

[Frozen Sky Ever Why]

She's back.

[Fusionmunster]

Also they showed Hillary won the debate by 23% I think.

[dspNY]

mcmuffin>stein

pathetic

McMullin outpolling Stein is hilarious

[Maxwell]

very cool to see her this close to 50%. slightly down from August but that's to be expected.

[Fusionmunster]

So Hillary has basically been stable in PPP polls for what, 2 months?

[PollsDontLie]

Isn't this an improvement for Trump?  I thought their previous result was Clinton +5?

[Fmr President & Senator Polnut]

Isn't this an improvement for Trump?  I thought their previous result was Clinton +5?

Yes, but that poll was from the end of August and before the pneumonia "scandal"

[Fusionmunster]

Both Hillary and Trump are inching up.

[Mike88]

Isn't this an improvement for Trump?  I thought their previous result was Clinton +5?

Comparing to the August poll:

Clinton: 44% (+2)
Trump: 40% (+3)
Johnson: 6% (=)
McMuffin: 2% (+1)
Stein: 1% (-3)

Clinton: 49% (+1)
Trumo: 45% (+2)

[bilaps]

I expected at least plus 5 for Clinton. This is bad for her.

[Buzz]

Trump up a point from last poll!

[Fmr President & Senator Polnut]

I expected at least plus 5 for Clinton. This is bad for her.

lol, k.

[OwlRhetoric]

Looks like both are benefiting from third parties unraveling. Seems unlikely Johnson even has a good chance at 5% nationally after another month of being buried in Trump-Clinton noise.

[Fusionmunster]

I expected at least plus 5 for Clinton. This is bad for her.

So let me get this straight.

You expected PPP to give Hillary a bigger bump from the debate than from the bump they found after the DNC? Especially after Clinton's worst 2 weeks?

Get real.

[bilaps]

I expected at least plus 5 for Clinton. This is bad for her.

So let me get this straight.

You expected PPP to give Hillary a bigger bump from the debate than from the bump they found after the DNC? Especially after Clinton's worst 2 weeks?

Get real.

No man, you Hillary hacks need to get real. After this debate only 4pts up nationaly in dem friendly poll. But if you are satisfied..

[Fusionmunster]

I expected at least plus 5 for Clinton. This is bad for her.

So let me get this straight.

You expected PPP to give Hillary a bigger bump from the debate than from the bump they found after the DNC? Especially after Clinton's worst 2 weeks?

Get real.

No man, you Hillary hacks need to get real. After this debate only 4pts up nationaly in dem friendly poll. But if you are satisfied..

PPP aint dem friendly.

[Maxwell]

I expected at least plus 5 for Clinton. This is bad for her.

So let me get this straight.

You expected PPP to give Hillary a bigger bump from the debate than from the bump they found after the DNC? Especially after Clinton's worst 2 weeks?

Get real.

No man, you Hillary hacks need to get real. After this debate only 4pts up nationaly in dem friendly poll. But if you are satisfied..

PPP has not been generally Democrat friendly this cycle - They only showed her up 5 after the Democrat national convention as other pollsters showed her up nearly double digits. She's pretty close to 50%, which is a better place to be.

[bilaps]

I expected at least plus 5 for Clinton. This is bad for her.

So let me get this straight.

You expected PPP to give Hillary a bigger bump from the debate than from the bump they found after the DNC? Especially after Clinton's worst 2 weeks?

Get real.

No man, you Hillary hacks need to get real. After this debate only 4pts up nationaly in dem friendly poll. But if you are satisfied..

PPP has not been generally Democrat friendly this cycle - They only showed her up 5 after the Democrat national convention as other pollsters showed her up nearly double digits. She's pretty close to 50%, which is a better place to be.

First of all, you are talking about this cycle, you are comparing polls with polls, you don't compare polls with actual results, if you know what I mean.

Second, the country is too divided for anyone at any point of the race to be up double digits, it's not real

Third, she is at 44%. Don't get why are you using 2way numbers when there will be more than 2 people on the ballot.

[bilaps]

I expected at least plus 5 for Clinton. This is bad for her.

So let me get this straight.

You expected PPP to give Hillary a bigger bump from the debate than from the bump they found after the DNC? Especially after Clinton's worst 2 weeks?

Get real.

No man, you Hillary hacks need to get real. After this debate only 4pts up nationaly in dem friendly poll. But if you are satisfied..

PPP aint dem friendly.

No, they include questions like what do you like more bedbugs or donald trump due to their objectivness in the process.

[Maxwell]

I expected at least plus 5 for Clinton. This is bad for her.

So let me get this straight.

You expected PPP to give Hillary a bigger bump from the debate than from the bump they found after the DNC? Especially after Clinton's worst 2 weeks?

Get real.

No man, you Hillary hacks need to get real. After this debate only 4pts up nationaly in dem friendly poll. But if you are satisfied..

PPP has not been generally Democrat friendly this cycle - They only showed her up 5 after the Democrat national convention as other pollsters showed her up nearly double digits. She's pretty close to 50%, which is a better place to be.

First of all, you are talking about this cycle, you are comparing polls with polls, you don't compare polls with actual results, if you know what I mean.

Second, the country is too divided for anyone at any point of the race to be up double digits, it's not real

Third, she is at 44%. Don't get why are you using 2way numbers when there will be more than 2 people on the ballot.

I look at 2 way numbers because there are very few people supporting Gary Johnson because of Gary Johnson or Jill Stein because of Jill Stein, and as a result of that the third parties will fade quickly. I think 2 way gives a better view of the way things will turn out, in my opinion.

[Fusionmunster]

I expected at least plus 5 for Clinton. This is bad for her.

So let me get this straight.

You expected PPP to give Hillary a bigger bump from the debate than from the bump they found after the DNC? Especially after Clinton's worst 2 weeks?

Get real.

No man, you Hillary hacks need to get real. After this debate only 4pts up nationaly in dem friendly poll. But if you are satisfied..

PPP aint dem friendly.

No, they include questions like what do you like more bedbugs or donald trump due to their objectivness in the process.

After the top-line questions in order to not influence the numbers.

[bilaps]

I look at 2 way numbers because there are very few people supporting Gary Johnson because of Gary Johnson or Jill Stein because of Jill Stein, and as a result of that the third parties will fade quickly. I think 2 way gives a better view of the way things will turn out, in my opinion.

It's a fair point but Johnson is at 6, others are at 3, this isn't like they are polling in double digits so that we assume some massive shift. Third party candidates are graduly declining but they will get some votes and I don't think it's unreasonable to think they will combine for 6,7,8 points.

[bilaps]

After the top-line questions in order to not influence the numbers.

I'm not implying they are influencing the numbers with that question. But they are dem leaning, no normal polling firm would ever ask that question. And we know they are basicaly dem pollster so they are dem leaning.

[Fusionmunster]

After the top-line questions in order to not influence the numbers.

I'm not implying they are influencing the numbers with that question. But they are dem leaning, no normal polling firm would ever ask that question. And we know they are basicaly dem pollster so they are dem leaning.

But they aren't.