Duterte: Hitler killed millions of Jews, I will kill millions of drug addicts

[Xing]

This guy is a complete lunatic. I suppose this shows us the dark side of democracy: Sometimes, the majority make the wrong choice.

Duterte won a FPTP election with a 39% plurality. Which is itself actually similar to the numbers Hitler was pulling in 1932-1933.

Okay, plurality then. My point still stands.

[Lumine]

As others have already said, the level of popularity Duterte can obtain from the insanity he's put in place in the span of a few months in truly terrifying. Sure, you can explain it through a varying set of complex factors and frustrations among the public in the Philippines, but the fact that he can get away with what he's done so far while remaining so popular in a democratic country just forces you to think very hard on what voters are actually willing to support.

[Simfan34]

I would simply stop all government-to-government contacts. US troops should be withdrawn from Mindanao (and everywhere else in the country) within a week or less - whether Philippine government is ready to take over or not. Embassador should be recalled for indefinite consultations, with a junior diplomat left in charge of skeleton staff. Phone calls should be returned by junior officials. US businessmen should be proactively informed that US government will not be able to protect their interests in any way if anything goes wrong. Philippines are of insufficient importance to the US to bother much in this case. If China wants to take over as their main protector, it should be welcome.

And, of course, the fact that Israel still has an embassador in Manila is a sign of how hypocritical that country´s government is. Had a head of any Muslim or European state said something 1/10th as offensive, they would have been jumping up and down in fake rage. They seem to be pretty damn silent.

The problem is Duterte seems more than willing to let this happen. Willing to bury the South China Sea issue, even. Chinese Ambassador gave a speech, could hardly contain his delight.

[ag]

I would simply stop all government-to-government contacts. US troops should be withdrawn from Mindanao (and everywhere else in the country) within a week or less - whether Philippine government is ready to take over or not. Embassador should be recalled for indefinite consultations, with a junior diplomat left in charge of skeleton staff. Phone calls should be returned by junior officials. US businessmen should be proactively informed that US government will not be able to protect their interests in any way if anything goes wrong. Philippines are of insufficient importance to the US to bother much in this case. If China wants to take over as their main protector, it should be welcome.

And, of course, the fact that Israel still has an embassador in Manila is a sign of how hypocritical that country´s government is. Had a head of any Muslim or European state said something 1/10th as offensive, they would have been jumping up and down in fake rage. They seem to be pretty damn silent.

The problem is Duterte seems more than willing to let this happen. Willing to bury the South China Sea issue, even. Chinese Ambassador gave a speech, could hardly contain his delight.

Sure. Let him do this. He might even get to be the second secretary of the Pilipino Autonomous district's party organization.

As long as the US takes in the refugees, I am fine about it.

[Citizen (The) Doctor]

I would simply stop all government-to-government contacts. US troops should be withdrawn from Mindanao (and everywhere else in the country) within a week or less - whether Philippine government is ready to take over or not. Embassador should be recalled for indefinite consultations, with a junior diplomat left in charge of skeleton staff. Phone calls should be returned by junior officials. US businessmen should be proactively informed that US government will not be able to protect their interests in any way if anything goes wrong. Philippines are of insufficient importance to the US to bother much in this case. If China wants to take over as their main protector, it should be welcome.

And, of course, the fact that Israel still has an embassador in Manila is a sign of how hypocritical that country´s government is. Had a head of any Muslim or European state said something 1/10th as offensive, they would have been jumping up and down in fake rage. They seem to be pretty damn silent.

The problem is Duterte seems more than willing to let this happen. Willing to bury the South China Sea issue, even. Chinese Ambassador gave a speech, could hardly contain his delight.

Sure. Let him do this. He might even get to be the second secretary of the Pilipino Autonomous district's party organization.

As long as the US takes in the refugees, I am fine about it.

Not going to happen. Wouldn't be surprised if Duterte is yanking America's chain because he knows that being absorbed into China's direct political sphere might start a domino effect in SEA. I mean, the US could call the bluff, but, when do they ever?

[ag]

I would simply stop all government-to-government contacts. US troops should be withdrawn from Mindanao (and everywhere else in the country) within a week or less - whether Philippine government is ready to take over or not. Embassador should be recalled for indefinite consultations, with a junior diplomat left in charge of skeleton staff. Phone calls should be returned by junior officials. US businessmen should be proactively informed that US government will not be able to protect their interests in any way if anything goes wrong. Philippines are of insufficient importance to the US to bother much in this case. If China wants to take over as their main protector, it should be welcome.

And, of course, the fact that Israel still has an embassador in Manila is a sign of how hypocritical that country´s government is. Had a head of any Muslim or European state said something 1/10th as offensive, they would have been jumping up and down in fake rage. They seem to be pretty damn silent.

The problem is Duterte seems more than willing to let this happen. Willing to bury the South China Sea issue, even. Chinese Ambassador gave a speech, could hardly contain his delight.

Sure. Let him do this. He might even get to be the second secretary of the Pilipino Autonomous district's party organization.

As long as the US takes in the refugees, I am fine about it.

Not going to happen. Wouldn't be surprised if Duterte is yanking America's chain because he knows that being absorbed into China's direct political sphere might start a domino effect in SEA. I mean, the US could call the bluff, but, when do they ever?

Actually, if anything, it will have the opposite effect (unless Trump is elected in the US). It would be an objective reason why US is much preferable as a partner.

[🦀🎂🦀🎂]

For an unrelated but fairly surprising tangent, I've read that Duterte actually supports gay marriage and frequently endorsed LGBT rights as mayor.

I think it's partially because he hates the Catholic Church (another odd thing in a country normally considered extremely religious) and has an enemy of my enemy thing.

http://newsinfo.inquirer.net/744824/duterte-names-priest-who-allegedly-molested-him-as-teen

[MASHED POTATOES. VOTE!]

What's depressing is that Duterte's party is considered "center-left to left" in Filipino political spectrum.

[Intell]

What's depressing is that Duterte's party is considered "center-left to left" in Filipino political spectrum.

Doesn't he idenitifay as a socialist, oppose rabid anti-communism, has (mild) support from the more hard-left and has led negotiations with communist gureilla organisations. :/

http://www.alterinter.org/spip.php?article4492

This article sort of explains it, but it is written by an idiot, on ANTI-IMPERALISM, though it has some merit.

http://newsinfo.inquirer.net/779984/duterte-im-a-socialist-not-a-communist-last-card

"Though openly supportive of the killings of habitual drug users and dealers, Duterte used city government funds to build a ₱12-million drug rehabilitation and treatment center which provides 24-hour services. In 2003, he offered a ₱2,000 monthly allowance to drug addicts who personally approached him and committed to kick the habit. Duterte is also publicly known for visiting remote New People's Army camps negotiating peace transaction efforts and advocating diplomacy.

Duterte was also the first mayor in the Philippines to give formal representation to the indigenous Lumad and Muslim community, designating deputy mayors to represent their interests in the local government. The anti-discrimination ordinance he mandated, was reportedly a response to news he received that Muslims were being discriminated against by real estate agents."



- From Wikipedia.

[MASHED POTATOES. VOTE!]

What's depressing is that Duterte's party is considered "center-left to left" in Filipino political spectrum.

Doesn't he idenitifay as a socialist, oppose rabid anti-communism, has (mild) support from the more hard-left and has led negotiations with communist gureilla organisations. :/

http://www.alterinter.org/spip.php?article4492

This article sort of explains it, but it is written by an idiot, on ANTI-IMPERALISM, though it has some merit.

http://newsinfo.inquirer.net/779984/duterte-im-a-socialist-not-a-communist-last-card

"Though openly supportive of the killings of habitual drug users and dealers, Duterte used city government funds to build a ₱12-million drug rehabilitation and treatment center which provides 24-hour services. In 2003, he offered a ₱2,000 monthly allowance to drug addicts who personally approached him and committed to kick the habit. Duterte is also publicly known for visiting remote New People's Army camps negotiating peace transaction efforts and advocating diplomacy.

Duterte was also the first mayor in the Philippines to give formal representation to the indigenous Lumad and Muslim community, designating deputy mayors to represent their interests in the local government. The anti-discrimination ordinance he mandated, was reportedly a response to news he received that Muslims were being discriminated against by real estate agents."



- From Wikipedia.

Heh, I'd love to be able to say "well, at least's he's good on...", but I can't.

I don't want to go Godwin here, but since Duterte self-Godwined himself already, it'd be pretty much like saying "well, at least Hitler was good at building autobahns."

For f**k's sake, the President of a sovereign country just pretty much declared he'd like to kill three millions of his own citizens. Free speech my ass.

[Intell]

What's depressing is that Duterte's party is considered "center-left to left" in Filipino political spectrum.

Doesn't he idenitifay as a socialist, oppose rabid anti-communism, has (mild) support from the more hard-left and has led negotiations with communist gureilla organisations. :/

http://www.alterinter.org/spip.php?article4492

This article sort of explains it, but it is written by an idiot, on ANTI-IMPERALISM, though it has some merit.

http://newsinfo.inquirer.net/779984/duterte-im-a-socialist-not-a-communist-last-card

"Though openly supportive of the killings of habitual drug users and dealers, Duterte used city government funds to build a ₱12-million drug rehabilitation and treatment center which provides 24-hour services. In 2003, he offered a ₱2,000 monthly allowance to drug addicts who personally approached him and committed to kick the habit. Duterte is also publicly known for visiting remote New People's Army camps negotiating peace transaction efforts and advocating diplomacy.

Duterte was also the first mayor in the Philippines to give formal representation to the indigenous Lumad and Muslim community, designating deputy mayors to represent their interests in the local government. The anti-discrimination ordinance he mandated, was reportedly a response to news he received that Muslims were being discriminated against by real estate agents."



- From Wikipedia.

Heh, I'd love to be able to say "well, at least's he's good on...", but I can't.

Well Mussolini was at least good on making the TRAINS RUN ON TIME!!!!!

[NeverAgain]

I am usually not a fan of intervention in foreign powers, but like, slit his throat. Please.

[Ebsy]

The average Filipino is in greater denial than a German during the Holocaust.

[Cory]

Best part of the quote is the moderate hero Holocaust denial.

Yeah I noticed that too.

[ag]

I am usually not a fan of intervention in foreign powers, but like, slit his throat. Please.

Send him to China.

[Citizen (The) Doctor]

I would simply stop all government-to-government contacts. US troops should be withdrawn from Mindanao (and everywhere else in the country) within a week or less - whether Philippine government is ready to take over or not. Embassador should be recalled for indefinite consultations, with a junior diplomat left in charge of skeleton staff. Phone calls should be returned by junior officials. US businessmen should be proactively informed that US government will not be able to protect their interests in any way if anything goes wrong. Philippines are of insufficient importance to the US to bother much in this case. If China wants to take over as their main protector, it should be welcome.

And, of course, the fact that Israel still has an embassador in Manila is a sign of how hypocritical that country´s government is. Had a head of any Muslim or European state said something 1/10th as offensive, they would have been jumping up and down in fake rage. They seem to be pretty damn silent.

The problem is Duterte seems more than willing to let this happen. Willing to bury the South China Sea issue, even. Chinese Ambassador gave a speech, could hardly contain his delight.

Sure. Let him do this. He might even get to be the second secretary of the Pilipino Autonomous district's party organization.

As long as the US takes in the refugees, I am fine about it.

Not going to happen. Wouldn't be surprised if Duterte is yanking America's chain because he knows that being absorbed into China's direct political sphere might start a domino effect in SEA. I mean, the US could call the bluff, but, when do they ever?

Actually, if anything, it will have the opposite effect (unless Trump is elected in the US). It would be an objective reason why US is much preferable as a partner.

I think that depends on whether or not the Chinese model of soveriegnty takes hold.

[MASHED POTATOES. VOTE!]

Dear Atlas people,

Stop talking s**t about me or I'll leave the UN and form a new organization with China, anak ka ng puta.

Thanks,
Rodrigo "Digong" Duterte.

[Lexii, harbinger of chaos and sexual anarchy]

Talking  about the UN


http://imgur.com/VTsUG2D

Keep it classy Mr. Ambassador

[Citizen (The) Doctor]

If the Philippine economy improves, Duterte's popularity will only grow. He rode in as a sort-of agrarian populist socialist (not in the progressive sense, mind you) fighting for Philippine sovereignty and supposedly against neoliberal policies. We'll have to wait and see if his reforms actually end up working or not.

But frankly, take away his drug-killing stance and he basically looks like any other somewhat left-of-center politican.

[Ban my account ffs!]

If the Philippine economy improves, Duterte's popularity will only grow. He rode in as a sort-of agrarian populist socialist (not in the progressive sense, mind you) fighting for Philippine sovereignty and supposedly against neoliberal policies. We'll have to wait and see if his reforms actually end up working or not.

But frankly, take away his drug-killing stance and he basically looks like any other somewhat left-of-center politican.

Yeah..take away the warmongering and mass murder...and Hitler was a veritable Frank Roosevelt.

Sometimes you can't take these things away.

[Citizen (The) Doctor]

If the Philippine economy improves, Duterte's popularity will only grow. He rode in as a sort-of agrarian populist socialist (not in the progressive sense, mind you) fighting for Philippine sovereignty and supposedly against neoliberal policies. We'll have to wait and see if his reforms actually end up working or not.

But frankly, take away his drug-killing stance and he basically looks like any other somewhat left-of-center politican.

Yeah..take away the warmongering and mass murder...and Hitler was a veritable Frank Roosevelt.

Sometimes you can't take these things away.

Well that's an extension of my point -- if you begin looking at things simply from a perspective of economic well-being, what ends up happening to your society? Remember that a central part of Duterte's diatribe against drug users is that they're lazy and hamper the country's productivity.

[Antonio the Sixth]

If the Philippine economy improves, Duterte's popularity will only grow. He rode in as a sort-of agrarian populist socialist (not in the progressive sense, mind you) fighting for Philippine sovereignty and supposedly against neoliberal policies. We'll have to wait and see if his reforms actually end up working or not.

But frankly, take away his drug-killing stance and he basically looks like any other somewhat left-of-center politican.

Yeah..take away the warmongering and mass murder...and Hitler was a veritable Frank Roosevelt.

Sometimes you can't take these things away.

Well that's an extension of my point -- if you begin looking at things simply from a perspective of economic well-being, what ends up happening to your society? Remember that a central part of Duterte's diatribe against drug users is that they're lazy and hamper the country's productivity.

The point is that all this becomes irrelevant when you're a mass murderer.

[Zioneer]

Reminder that the names of Duterte's political opponents have been found on the kill lists of the "death squads". I don't think his absurdly high approval rating is completely genuine with that being a known fact. Would you want to anger the guy who has death squads at his command?

[Citizen (The) Doctor]

If the Philippine economy improves, Duterte's popularity will only grow. He rode in as a sort-of agrarian populist socialist (not in the progressive sense, mind you) fighting for Philippine sovereignty and supposedly against neoliberal policies. We'll have to wait and see if his reforms actually end up working or not.

But frankly, take away his drug-killing stance and he basically looks like any other somewhat left-of-center politican.

Yeah..take away the warmongering and mass murder...and Hitler was a veritable Frank Roosevelt.

Sometimes you can't take these things away.

Well that's an extension of my point -- if you begin looking at things simply from a perspective of economic well-being, what ends up happening to your society? Remember that a central part of Duterte's diatribe against drug users is that they're lazy and hamper the country's productivity.

The point is that all this becomes irrelevant when you're a mass murderer.

As far as many Pilipinos are concerned, they see America do it all the time but to other people (or in the case of the American soldiers commiting crimes against Pilipinos in the Laude or Subic Rape cases, allowed to get away from crimes with more lenient sentences with the public perception being "because they're Americans"). So the follow-up question for them becomes why shouldn't they be allowed to do what they wish on their own soil?

I'm not saying that what Duterte doing is good (personally, I think it's one of the greatest atrocities currently happening currently), but to understand why he has so much support, even from groups that are traditionally anti-government, is to understand that his ascendency is a result of a very complicated hodgepodge of bad governance and corruption. A lot of Pilipinos care more about their economic well-being than they do about drug users dying. It's partially a failure of the electoral system (which is ridiculously idiotic and should not have been implemented upon the ratification of the new constitution), partially an economic planning failure spanning decades where a country's middle and lower classes see its primary export as it's own people, asks "What could be so wrong here that my daughter or my mother has to leave me, travel thousands of miles, just to pay for the food on my table?", looks at an aristocracy that has largely been in-place since the pre-World War II era tell them that the country is growing economically, and sees a man who says "I'm going to bring you that money" while seeming to be completely genuine about it.

If the economy tanks, he's done. The military will happily join a public revolt against him as he's very much not well-liked in those circles. If it doesn't, and he actually does manage to lessen inequality, then he's going to be viewed as a success domestically. In the end, it's the minimizing of corruption, spreading of wealth, and keeping food on the table with the ability to keep your family together at the same time that's important to these people.