How could any decent person vote trump?

[Southern Delegate matthew27]

Crimes of Donald Trump:

Donald Trump has a long history of not honoring contracts with construction companies http://www.usatoday.com/story/news/politics/elections/2016/06/09/donald-trump-unpaid-bills-republican-president-laswuits/85297274/

— Donald Trump has knowingly and intentionally defrauded Trump University students, fleecing them out of thousands of dollars http://abcnews.go.com/Politics/ny-attorney-general-slams-trump-university-fraud-beginning/story?id=39552689

— He may have illegally coordinated with his SuperPac http://www.politicususa.com/2016/07/01/trumps-man-crime-spree-grows-felony-illegal-super-pac-coordination.html


— He illegally used corporate resources to pay an employee to write a political speech
https://www.washingtonpost.com/news/the-fix/wp/2016/07/20/did-the-trump-campaign-violate-federal-law-by-using-a-trump-organization-speechwriter/


— He violated federal law by claiming proceeds from various Trump products would go to charity, although there is no evidence that Trump ever donated the money to charity

http://www.politico.com/story/2016/06/donald-trump-charities-fraud-laws-224510

— He violated IRS rules by using $12,000 from his charity organization to purchase a Tim Tebow helmet

https://www.washingtonpost.com/news/post-politics/wp/2016/07/01/donald-trump-used-money-donated-for-charity-to-buy-himself-a-tim-tebow-signed-football-helmet/

— He violated election laws by emailing foreign officials to solicit political contributions
http://www.slate.com/blogs/the_slatest/2016/06/30/looks_like_trump_s_campaign_has_already_violated_election_law.html


— He violated federal laws by offering Ben Carson a job in exchange for his endorsement

http://lawnewz.com/politics/complaint-trump-violated-federal-law-by-offering-carson-a-job-for-his-endorsement/

— His employees violated a U.S. trade embargo by pursuing commercial activities in Cuba when it was illegal to do so

http://www.bloomberg.com/features/2016-donald-trump-golf-cuba/

— He’s run afoul of election laws by using campaign contributions to pay $6 million to his own businesses

http://www.nytimes.com/2016/06/22/us/politics/donald-trump-self-funding-payments.html

— He violated Wisconsin election laws by talking with voters as they stood in line to vote

http://www.rawstory.com/2016/04/oops-trumps-supporter-accidentally-catches-him-violating-wisconsin-election-law/

— He violated New York state education laws for operating a for-profit investment school without the required license

http://www.reuters.com/article/us-trump-nyag-lawsuit-idUSKCN0I52MW20141016

— His foreign policy proposals would violate NATO

http://trofire.com/2016/07/23/trump-says-his-america-would-easily-violate-nato-why-that-is-an-alarming-unprecedented-action/

— He’s violated copyright law for using copyrighted images without permission
http://www.washingtontimes.com/news/2016/mar/24/trump-campaign-sued-for-copyright-infringement-by-/


— Many of the proposals he has vowed to pursue as President violate the First, Fourth, Fifth, and Eighth Amendments of the Constitution

http://www.politicususa.com/2016/07/14/nonpartisan-bombshell-report-finds-major-trump-proposals-violates-constitution.html

— Trump broke New York state law by lobbying to prevent an Indian casino from opening in the Catskills
http://www.nytimes.com/2000/10/06/nyregion/trump-and-others-accept-fines-for-ads-in-opposition-to-casinos.html

— His vow to use torture on suspected terrorists would violate the Geneva conventions. He would be committing war crimes.
http://www.msnbc.com/rachel-maddow-show/trump-sees-geneva-conventions-out-date


— He broke anti-discrimination laws to keep a mob boss gambling at one of his casinos

http://www.deathandtaxesmag.com/283341/donald-trump-robert-libutti-illegal-gambling/

— He violated immigration laws by misrepresenting his company on work-visa applications
http://www.politicususa.com/2016/03/09/fate-lawsuit-brought-trump-model-decided-month.html

[Heisenberg]

Look, the Supreme Court is at stake. That is more than enough for a good number of people.

[Virginiá]

Look, the Supreme Court is at stake. That is more than enough for a good number of people.

That's true. This line of reasoning I've seen so many times has also revealed to me how deeply many people take for granted the relative stability (putting aside recent degradations in some regions) of world affairs and our foreign relationships. A person like Trump could do a lot of damage in that regard. Or he could go after the press and political opponents. The corruption of such an administration would be obscene.

People like Trump are not supposed to get anywhere near the presidency, yet the voters have lost their freakin minds. The rationalization and downplaying folks are doing with Trump is unbelievable.

[Hermit For Peace]

Look, the Supreme Court is at stake. That is more than enough for a good number of people.

http://www.people-press.org/2016/07/07/4-top-voting-issues-in-2016-election/

[Orthogonian Society Treasurer]

There is no more place for decency in presidential politics. Eight years of Bill Clinton saw to that.

[GeorgiaModerate]

Look, the Supreme Court is at stake. That is more than enough for a good number of people.

This, plus many people consider Clinton a terrible human being/not trustworthy/etc. 45% of the country will vote for any Republican and 48% of the country will for any Democrat, no matter what.

That's true in most elections, but I think it's clear that Trump is losing some normally automatic Republicans, especially among more highly educated voters.  This is offset by his gaining some usually Democratic WWC votes, which is what's keeping the race close.

Amusing anecdote in this regard: I had a phone conversation today with an elderly relative in deep red Waukesha County, Wisconsin.  She's a lifelong Republican and would normally be an automatic R vote, but she can't stomach Trump.  Nor would she ever consider voting for Clinton.  She took a long look at Johnson and concluded that he's an idiot.  After lengthy consideration, she's decided to cast a write-in vote as a commentary on this election.  She's writing in Mickey Mouse.

[ProudModerate2]

I don't know. I don't get it either.
It's as if they are willing to pull the lever for trump and then immediately swallow a cyanide pill.

[7,052,770]

Look, the Supreme Court is at stake. That is more than enough for a good number of people.

Do you actually trust Trump to appoint your ideal judges to the Court? I certainly wouldn't if I were a Republican.

[Southern Delegate matthew27]

Look, the Supreme Court is at stake. That is more than enough for a good number of people.

Do you actually trust Trump to appoint your ideal judges to the Court? I certainly wouldn't if I were a Republican.

He said in the primaries that he wanted to place his sister on the supreme court. His sister is a liberal!

[Landslide Lyndon]

Because there are much more racists, sexists and white nationalists out there than anyone wants to admit.

[Absentee Voting Ghost of Ruin]

They can't. End of story.

Decent folks have plenty of choices that can be justified, none of them great or arguably even positive. But anyone actively trying to put TrumpMillerBarron in the White House has given up on aspiring to be a decent human being.

[Deblano]

The Supreme Court has a lot of Republicans by the balls.

It's a damn shame really.

[Fuzzy Says: "Abolish NPR!"]

There is no more place for decency in presidential politics. Eight years of Bill Clinton saw to that.

I don't blame Bill Clinton for all of this.  Both Bushes bear responsibility for this as well.

Millions of decent folks are going to vote for Donald Trump.  Millions of decent folks are going to vote for Hillary Clinton.  Those who can't see that have taken self-righteousness to new levels.  Either that, or they're too young and immature to know their snot from their turds.

[Gustaf]

There is no more place for decency in presidential politics. Eight years of Bill Clinton saw to that.

I don't blame Bill Clinton for all of this.  Both Bushes bear responsibility for this as well.

Millions of decent folks are going to vote for Donald Trump.  Millions of decent folks are going to vote for Hillary Clinton.  Those who can't see that have taken self-righteousness to new levels.  Either that, or they're too young and immature to know their snot from their turds.

I think voting for Trump revokes any claim you have to decency. It's pretty simple really.

I guess you can just be really, really dumb and ignorant but the closer we get to the election the less plausible that excuse becomes.

[ursulahx]

I wonder how Trump would be polling if SCOTUS wasn't at stake?

[Ebowed]

I wonder how Trump would be polling if SCOTUS wasn't at stake?

No difference.

[ApatheticAustrian]

i am not sure if the conservative internet audience is the same as conservative voters at all....but it seems clear to me that the right-wing-echo-chamber has established kind of the same "safe space"-bubble like some millenials want to build at universities.

if you are convinced  bill clinton (mister center himself) has nearly ruined this country and barack obama (a practically center-left politican with a knack for some millenial pet projects) is the death of civilization.....then it doesn't matter anymore which candidate the Dems nominate at all since the world is ALWAYS ending.

the irony is, that the left is this year making the same argument ...together with some parts of the right...since trump really would be a game-changer in a really bad way.

so in my center-left, european eyes:

a significant part of the american right is so afraid of any democrat at all...that they would prefer to set a real madman into the oval office to prevent their own fear projection from happening.

seems like catch 22 to me.

[ursulahx]

I wonder how Trump would be polling if SCOTUS wasn't at stake?

No difference.

You're right, I suspect. What excuse would otherwise decent Republicans think of for backing him, though?

[LLR]

I wonder how Trump would be polling if SCOTUS wasn't at stake?

SCOTUS is an excuse, not a reason.

[rafta_rafta]

I just saw a post on another thread.

39% of Louisiana voted for David Duke in the gubernatorial election of 1991. So with far more resources I'm not really surprised that Trump is managing 40-43%

[ursulahx]

His opponent is Hillary Clinton. Really not hard to comprehend.

No, I realise that's the real reason. I'm just wondering what excuse they would find to salve their conscience. At the moment SCOTUS gives them a fig leaf.

[ApatheticAustrian]

let's say trump would run against biden....

does anyone think, suburban ladies would unite behind him? wouldn't his gaffes out-trump trump? would the blue-collar vote really be split?

sanders would happened anyway....and biden has said some really man things about republicans too.

i am not so sure there is a dem candidate which would killed trump instantly....there is a reason he was able to cut 15 other candidates in the rep primary.

[MASHED POTATOES. VOTE!]

I wonder how many of Trump's primary voters were his ironic supporters, who allowed the joke to go for too long.

[Inmate Trump]

There is no decency amongst Trump supporters.  You can't vote alongside Nazis and the KKK and genuinely claim you are a decent American.

A vote for Trump is an endorsement of racism, xenophobia, and sexism; it's an endorsement of not paying taxes; it's an endorsement of discrediting our military and former POWs (who, according to your candidate, are not heroes); it's an endorsement of selfishness and declining charitable contributions; an endorsement of screwing other people to benefit yourself.

A vote for Trump means you put party above country; selfishness above generosity; indecency above civility.

I question the patriotism of anyone supporting a man who displays no American values whatsoever; a man who threatens assassination to his political rivals; a man who praises dictators like Vladimir Putin, Kim Jong-un, and Saddam Hussein, and who keeps a book of Hitler speeches by his bedside.

He is not American; and if you vote for him, neither are you.

[EnglishPete]

I wonder how Trump would be polling if SCOTUS wasn't at stake?

SCOTUS is an excuse, not a reason.

And what would be your excuse for supporting a bloodthirsty neo-con warmonger and corporate shill like Hillary Clinton?