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« on: October 03, 2016, 01:45:56 AM »

Let's say Johnson wins NM and we get this map



In this scenario, the election is thrown to the House, and each state delegation must agree on which candidate to award their electoral votes to.  Who would win the house, Clinton or Trump?
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« Reply #1 on: October 03, 2016, 01:51:22 AM »

It isn't happening
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« Reply #2 on: October 03, 2016, 01:53:07 AM »

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« Reply #3 on: October 03, 2016, 02:01:14 AM »

It's not happening, but under the Constitution, I believe it's one vote per state delegation and the Republicans hold more of them. Trump would win in that scenario.
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« Reply #4 on: October 03, 2016, 02:13:25 AM »

It's not happening, but under the Constitution, I believe it's one vote per state delegation and the Republicans hold more of them. Trump would win in that scenario.
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« Reply #5 on: October 03, 2016, 02:23:28 AM »

It's not happening, but under the Constitution, I believe it's one vote per state delegation and the Republicans hold more of them. Trump would win in that scenario.

What about #NeverTrump-ers? Would they perhaps rally around Johnson or lol, McMuffin?
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« Reply #6 on: October 03, 2016, 02:31:21 AM »

They'd all vote Trump, because (a) SCOTUS and (b) they'll believe they can manipulate him into doing what they want.
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« Reply #7 on: October 03, 2016, 02:32:56 AM »

Congressmen can vote however they want. There's this idea that they should vote how their states want but it's just a thinly established tradition, nothing official. Also, Congress only gets to pick between the top 3 vote getters. No chance of McMuffin.
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« Reply #8 on: October 03, 2016, 04:13:38 AM »

He can eat into the vote shares of the two big parties, but there is no way he's going to win
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« Reply #9 on: October 03, 2016, 04:18:11 AM »

Won't happen. Even Utah is more likely for Johnson than New Mexico.

If the election goes to the House, most likely in a 269-269 deadlock, Trump is winning due to the Republican majority. Interesting, however, is, how this would turn out with a Democratic senate.
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« Reply #10 on: October 03, 2016, 05:50:13 AM »

Won't happen. Even Utah is more likely for Johnson than New Mexico.

If the election goes to the House, most likely in a 269-269 deadlock, Trump is winning due to the Republican majority. Interesting, however, is, how this would turn out with a Democratic senate.

Republicans hold 32 states in the House. Why would the Senate matter?
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« Reply #11 on: October 03, 2016, 06:48:19 AM »

Won't happen. Even Utah is more likely for Johnson than New Mexico.

If the election goes to the House, most likely in a 269-269 deadlock, Trump is winning due to the Republican majority. Interesting, however, is, how this would turn out with a Democratic senate.

Republicans hold 32 states in the House. Why would the Senate matter?

It would determine the vice president, who would end up becoming president after a (likely) impeachment.
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« Reply #12 on: October 03, 2016, 06:56:21 AM »

If Pubs control both the House and Senate, one scenario from the OP map would be for the House to deadlock and fail to elect a President. Then the Senate would pick Pence not just as Vice President but as acting President.

If the Dems win the Senate and a survey of House delegations make it look like there would be trouble getting Trump elected, then a state larger than NM could cast EVs for an alternative that could win in the House. That could even be Pence, as in electors writing down Pence/Trump instead of Trump/Pence. Johnson's name would not go to the House in that scenario and the alternative (Pence in this example) could be elected President by the House.
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« Reply #13 on: October 03, 2016, 10:18:43 AM »

This is the weirdest election in living memory, I wouldn't be surprised!!!
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« Reply #14 on: October 03, 2016, 10:32:22 AM »


Not only is Johnson a long shot to win NM despite what ONE poll says, but it is a stretch to believe that Clinton loses Ohio, Florida, North Carolina, and Colorado while winning Nevada.  Clinton will perform much better than this map suggests so this scenario is not going to happen.
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« Reply #15 on: October 03, 2016, 10:40:36 AM »

Note that the Senate only chooses between the two highest vote getters so Weld doesn't even have a fool's chance. 
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« Reply #16 on: October 03, 2016, 10:52:25 AM »

It's not happening, but under the Constitution, I believe it's one vote per state delegation and the Republicans hold more of them. Trump would win in that scenario.

What about #NeverTrump-ers? Would they perhaps rally around Johnson or lol, McMuffin?

They would need to pick amongst the top three candidates in the electoral vote, so unless some faithless electors vote for McMullin, he cannot be picked.
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« Reply #17 on: October 03, 2016, 10:56:21 AM »

Trump cannot win in the House unless Republicans either make fairly decent gains this year (in which case he probably wins outright anyway) or he convinces a large number of NeverTrump Representatives to come to his side (possible, but consider that some number of defections are likely as well). As such, the number of congressional delegations that Trump has is insufficient to win, and the winner of the Senate vote, Pence or Kaine (almost certainly Pence if Trump came close to winning) becomes acting President.

The NeverTrump Republicans would not have to actually vote Johnson (and I imagine very few would do so); they can simply abstain.
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« Reply #18 on: October 03, 2016, 11:18:30 AM »

A bunch of Republican faithless electors vote for Paul Ryan, putting him in third place in the electoral vote.  Then the House elects Ryan as president.  Tongue
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« Reply #19 on: October 03, 2016, 12:31:41 PM »

It's not happening, but under the Constitution, I believe it's one vote per state delegation and the Republicans hold more of them. Trump would win in that scenario.

What about #NeverTrump-ers? Would they perhaps rally around Johnson or lol, McMuffin?

If they want to never win another election as a Republican for the rest of their career, sure.
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« Reply #20 on: October 03, 2016, 12:44:35 PM »

Trump won't win Colorado so its not even worth consideration.
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« Reply #21 on: October 03, 2016, 01:03:42 PM »

It's not happening, but under the Constitution, I believe it's one vote per state delegation and the Republicans hold more of them. Trump would win in that scenario.

What about #NeverTrump-ers? Would they perhaps rally around Johnson or lol, McMuffin?

Only the top three candidates would be considered.
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« Reply #22 on: October 03, 2016, 02:46:57 PM »

It's not happening, but under the Constitution, I believe it's one vote per state delegation and the Republicans hold more of them. Trump would win in that scenario.

What about #NeverTrump-ers? Would they perhaps rally around Johnson or lol, McMuffin?

Only the top three candidates would be considered.

There could be a faithless elector push, though you'd need to get six of them behind one candidate.
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« Reply #23 on: October 03, 2016, 08:23:57 PM »


Wrong. He's up 24% in the latest poll, clearly taking from Hillary as shes only 3% up now giving Trump a bigger margin of winning.

Hillary is hated, Trump can rally a base. He's basically the next Reagan lol.
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« Reply #24 on: October 03, 2016, 09:07:01 PM »

Note that the Senate only chooses between the two highest vote getters so Weld doesn't even have a fool's chance. 
It could happen!


243-147-148 Clinton-Trump-Johnson. Clearly Weld's most plausible path to the Naval Observatory.
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