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All Along The Watchtower
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« on: October 04, 2016, 10:13:38 AM »

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Seems odd that the presidential nominee of one of America's two major political parties is getting the unashamed endorsement of actual Nazis/Stormfronters/Klansmen, etc. I don't remember many of these people endorsing or even voting for Mitt Romney, John McCain, or George W. Bush, for example.

I know that there are some Trump supporters here so I'm sure that they can explain to me why this is the case.
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« Reply #1 on: October 04, 2016, 10:16:40 AM »

Why is that so surprising? Huh
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« Reply #2 on: October 04, 2016, 10:30:00 AM »


Honestly I'm curious re: the below:

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« Reply #3 on: October 04, 2016, 10:31:49 AM »

obviously cause they have no friends at all and trump at least sometimes refrains from rejecting them totally.
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« Reply #4 on: October 04, 2016, 10:55:35 AM »

Take a wild guess.
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« Reply #5 on: October 04, 2016, 11:41:11 AM »
« Edited: October 04, 2016, 11:50:34 AM by EliteLX »

Contrary to the MSNBC/Vice News narrative of "L0L BECAUSE HES A BIGOTED RACIST KLAN MEMBER NAZI-SYMPATHIZER? UH DUH?? STUP1D GOP'ERS WANTING TO LINCH THE AFRICAN AMERICAN RACE!!"...

maybe because it is the "lesser of two evils" in perspective of a white supremacist agenda? Is a klan member supporting the party that sympathizes with black lives matter (a literal lite version of a textbook definition terrorist group.. practically zero correlation with actual previous African American oppression) or are you going to support the party that claims the group as utter nonsense whos message is less about standing up for African American lives rather than wreaking havoc and polarizing race relations?

There are many more examples like this, but simply put: the GOP has much less of an "oppressed and permanently wounded" view for African Americans in 2016 over the democratic party. Using the "lesser of two evils" perspective for bigots.. they clearly are going to support the GOP over the democratic party.
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« Reply #6 on: October 04, 2016, 11:44:38 AM »

i think the simpsons have nailed it:


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« Reply #7 on: October 04, 2016, 12:19:44 PM »


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« Reply #8 on: October 04, 2016, 01:02:37 PM »

The same reason the Communist Party has been endorsing Democrats for years. We usually only have 2 real choices, and there are bad groups on both sides. Calling Trump a white supremacist sympathizer is the same as calling Hillary a Communist sympathizer.
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« Reply #9 on: October 04, 2016, 01:10:01 PM »

Because Trump is one of them.
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« Reply #10 on: October 04, 2016, 01:33:13 PM »

The same reason the Communist Party has been endorsing Democrats for years. We usually only have 2 real choices, and there are bad groups on both sides. Calling Trump a white supremacist sympathizer is the same as calling Hillary a Communist sympathizer.
WRONG! (spoken like Donald Trump would say it).

This is not a "least bad" candidate choice. The white supremacists have been enthusiastically supporting Trump from the very beginning (and in a way that they have not supported any other GOP candidate). They recognize in him the rhetoric that they use themselves. The dog whistle is loud and clear.

The "communists" or the far left in general, are very reluctantly supporting Clinton to avoid Trump. Infact, one of Clinton's main problems is that she cannot get enough of them to go out and vote for her. Trump definitely does not have that problem with the white supremacists. They are gonna show up for him like he was Hitler himself.
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« Reply #11 on: October 04, 2016, 01:46:16 PM »

The same reason the Communist Party has been endorsing Democrats for years. We usually only have 2 real choices, and there are bad groups on both sides. Calling Trump a white supremacist sympathizer is the same as calling Hillary a Communist sympathizer.
CPUSA isn't a communist party though.
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« Reply #12 on: October 04, 2016, 01:57:05 PM »

Seems odd that the presidential nominee of one of America's two major political parties is getting the unashamed endorsement of actual Nazis/Stormfronters/Klansmen, etc. I don't remember many of these people endorsing or even voting for Mitt Romney, John McCain, or George W. Bush, for example.

That's funny, because I certainly do. The Republican Party has been an instrument of white supremacy for a long time.
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« Reply #13 on: October 04, 2016, 02:27:11 PM »

Both Trump and White supremacists are opposed to immigration. That is why White supremacists support him. Of course, they have different reasons for opposing immigration. As they will tell you.
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« Reply #14 on: October 04, 2016, 02:29:34 PM »

How many times are Atlas Democrats, foreign posters, and twelve year old noobs going to quit making threads like this? How many times do you want to hear the same answer?
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« Reply #15 on: October 04, 2016, 02:39:17 PM »

How many times are Atlas Democrats, foreign posters, and twelve year old noobs going to quit making threads like this? How many times do you want to hear the same answer?
How many times will you support racists?
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« Reply #16 on: October 04, 2016, 02:55:21 PM »

Seems odd that the presidential nominee of one of America's two major political parties is getting the unashamed endorsement of actual Nazis/Stormfronters/Klansmen, etc. I don't remember many of these people endorsing or even voting for Mitt Romney, John McCain, or George W. Bush, for example.

That's funny, because I certainly do. The Republican Party has been an instrument of white supremacy for a long time.

Point taken, but it's never been as widespread and explicit as it is now. And unlike in previous elections, not only are the proud white supremacsts enthusiastically voting for and endorsing the Republican nominee, but a very significant number of them are actively working to get him elected, whether through volunteering or joining leadership and staff positions at all levels of his campaign. That, I am convinced, is unprecedented for a Republican nominee.
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« Reply #17 on: October 04, 2016, 05:14:52 PM »

Seems odd that the presidential nominee of one of America's two major political parties is getting the unashamed endorsement of actual Nazis/Stormfronters/Klansmen, etc. I don't remember many of these people endorsing or even voting for Mitt Romney, John McCain, or George W. Bush, for example.

That's funny, because I certainly do. The Republican Party has been an instrument of white supremacy for a long time.

Do you expect them to vote for the Democrats Left-wing policies.
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« Reply #18 on: October 04, 2016, 05:16:41 PM »

Because which other candidate would wait for a whole day before deciding to denounce the KKK....in 2016.
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« Reply #19 on: October 04, 2016, 06:28:45 PM »

White supremacists are enthusiastic about Trump. I don't think this is a "lesser evil" thing for them.
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« Reply #20 on: October 04, 2016, 06:30:16 PM »
« Edited: October 04, 2016, 06:32:10 PM by Nortexius »

John McCain was a pro-amnesty internationalist warhawk whose main priority was wasting more american lives in the middle east. His major campaign issue was a more aggressive foreign policy wherein the US military would be used as a tool to "democratize" arab people and countries and threaten war with one of the largest white countries on the face of the planet (Russia). Arab countries becoming democracies through american military force and (white) Russia possibly being bombed to smithereens is not exactly an appealing thought to white identity groups. John McCain offered these groups 0 policies that appealed to them so they mostly stayed home on election day.

In 2012 Mitt Romney and Paul Ryan fought the presidential election exclusively on matters of the economy (this was seen most clearly when Mitt Romney stated that 47% of the country won't vote for him because they're on the government teat). White identity groups hate it when anyone tries to reduce (in their minds) human beings simply to individuals seeking material gain. In their worldview different collectives (race, nation, family, culture etc...) must ALWAYS trump economic self-interest.

In 2016 Donald Trump showed up on the political scene and stated that he would deport over 11 million (mostly nonwhite) illegal immigrants, build a giant wall to separate America from the nonwhite 3rd world country of Mexico, ban muslim immigration, support (white) cops over mostly black and hispanic criminals and put "America First". His foreign policy views wholeheartedly rejects any attempts to democratize arab countries (seeing such efforts as futile and naively idealistic) and instead focuses on defeating radical sunni muslim terrorist groups such as ISIS, Al-Qaida and the Muslim Brotherhood and cooperating with strongman secular arab leaders such as Egypts El-Sisi for the sake of regional stability. All off Trumps policies are basically race-neutral versions of the same policies that the white identity groups themselves would implement if they would be in power.
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« Reply #21 on: October 04, 2016, 06:56:32 PM »

The same reason the Communist Party has been endorsing Democrats for years. We usually only have 2 real choices, and there are bad groups on both sides. Calling Trump a white supremacist sympathizer is the same as calling Hillary a Communist sympathizer.
WRONG! (spoken like Donald Trump would say it).

This is not a "least bad" candidate choice. The white supremacists have been enthusiastically supporting Trump from the very beginning (and in a way that they have not supported any other GOP candidate). They recognize in him the rhetoric that they use themselves. The dog whistle is loud and clear.

The "communists" or the far left in general, are very reluctantly supporting Clinton to avoid Trump. Infact, one of Clinton's main problems is that she cannot get enough of them to go out and vote for her. Trump definitely does not have that problem with the white supremacists. They are gonna show up for him like he was Hitler himself.
Yeah, you don't get to claim "lesser than 2 evils" when you enthusiastically support the guy in the primary where there are literally 15 other choices.
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« Reply #22 on: October 04, 2016, 07:59:25 PM »

John McCain was a pro-amnesty internationalist warhawk whose main priority was wasting more american lives in the middle east. His major campaign issue was a more aggressive foreign policy wherein the US military would be used as a tool to "democratize" arab people and countries and threaten war with one of the largest white countries on the face of the planet (Russia). Arab countries becoming democracies through american military force and (white) Russia possibly being bombed to smithereens is not exactly an appealing thought to white identity groups. John McCain offered these groups 0 policies that appealed to them so they mostly stayed home on election day.

In 2012 Mitt Romney and Paul Ryan fought the presidential election exclusively on matters of the economy (this was seen most clearly when Mitt Romney stated that 47% of the country won't vote for him because they're on the government teat). White identity groups hate it when anyone tries to reduce (in their minds) human beings simply to individuals seeking material gain. In their worldview different collectives (race, nation, family, culture etc...) must ALWAYS trump economic self-interest.

In 2016 Donald Trump showed up on the political scene and stated that he would deport over 11 million (mostly nonwhite) illegal immigrants, build a giant wall to separate America from the nonwhite 3rd world country of Mexico, ban muslim immigration, support (white) cops over mostly black and hispanic criminals and put "America First". His foreign policy views wholeheartedly rejects any attempts to democratize arab countries (seeing such efforts as futile and naively idealistic) and instead focuses on defeating radical sunni muslim terrorist groups such as ISIS, Al-Qaida and the Muslim Brotherhood and cooperating with strongman secular arab leaders such as Egypts El-Sisi for the sake of regional stability. All off Trumps policies are basically race-neutral versions of the same policies that the white identity groups themselves would implement if they would be in power.

This is interesting, because if you recall GWB ran as an anti-nation building pro-russian moderate back in 2000 while wrapping himself in the flag, and not going out of his way to promote multiculturalism: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=F9SOVzMV2bc

He was just a guy in the right place at the right time, with a chameleon-like ideology that was able to appeal to all factions of the party at once. There was  a nixonesque quality to W. that people forget.
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« Reply #23 on: October 04, 2016, 09:52:21 PM »

Trump wants to go back to 1950s white-dominated America, so who else are they going to support?
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