The Klartext Landfill for Absurd, Ignorant, and Deplorable Posts VI

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Youtuber faux liberterian Stefan Molyneux says the US and other countries will eventually become Venezuela if they embrace Bernie Sanders style economics.

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We still have a few principled Ron Paul followers around though.

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If its nuclear war, then so be it.  No country takes advantage of the United States of America or makes us look like a fool.

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Putting my personal biases aside, they look really bad when they keep on delaying his nominees. This is going to stick with them during midterms and Trump voters won't forget it.

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I am not a Trump supporter. I didn't vote for him. But your only conversation with me is trying to label me as such.

Says the Australian.

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The democratic party did not abandon rural people... rural people are just attracted like a shiny object to the Republican message on guns, ISIS, the wall, and other nonsense that spews out of Trump's mouths, that will do absolutely nothing to provide real world benefit to them.  And now they will lose their health care.  Elections have consequences.

-Only a tiny fraction of Americans will lose healthcare from the repeal and replacement of Obamacare. Might hurt Senate candidates in Kerry states, but won't keep Trump from re-election.

I don't think that's true.  What are you basing that off of?  And what about the pre-existing condition thing... if that's gutted that's going to screw a lot of people.

-I'm strongly opposed to mandated coverage of pre-existing conditions anyway. Raises insurance costs for people without pre-existing conditions. Still not going to have a big electoral impact beyond 2018.

You are sadly mistaken about that. The elimination of pre-existing conditions is the most popular provision and it is effective. With that said, it doesn't look like a repeal will happen anytime soon if at all, so it seems as if the powers that be are aware of the danger of repealing health care.

-It's frankly nutty. Insurance companies are not welfare agencies.

I didn't say they were, genius. People who pay premiums should be allowed to buy insurance even if they have a pre-existing condition.

-Insurance companies should not be forced by the government to cover pre-existing conditions.

What is your plan for people with pre-existing conditions?

-Let them pay out of pocket for those conditions. I've always felt that those who use the most of a service should pay for it most, except in cases where that service has desirable externalities.

I just wish every Republican were as honest as you.

Many people could not pay out of pocket for those conditions.  Is the GOP prepared to suggest to folks that they will just have to suffer, and, perhaps, die before their time, after a period of diminished quality of life?

-I suggest letting the states decide on what to do about the sick who are not able to earn enough to pay for their treatment expenses.

What do you advocate that the state you live in do?

-I say let them remain untreated then, but wouldn't mind too much if the state legislature ignores my advice -they have careers.

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Come on, Cashew, do you really wish every Republican was as honest as I or not? Conservatism is an ideology of the strong.

What gives you the authority to define what conservatism is? I could just as well go farther and define a true conservative as a supporter of monarchism. In the United States I would agree, social Darwinism is the dominant strain on the right, no matter how much they deny it, but most true right wingers worldwide are are their core collectivist, not classically liberal individualists.

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Come on, Cashew, do you really wish every Republican was as honest as I or not? Conservatism is an ideology of the strong.

What gives you the authority to define what conservatism is? I could just as well go farther and define a true conservative as a supporter of monarchism. In the United States I would agree, social Darwinism is the dominant strain on the right, no matter how much they deny it, but most true right wingers worldwide are are their core collectivist, not classically liberal individualists.

-Monarchism is also an ideology of the strong (the princes in particular).

Not today. There was once a time when they would actually have to struggle for their role, and govern, which was somewhat respectable. What is more contemptuous is this "Divine right of kings" which is a blatant attempt to kick down the ladder of social mobility for future and more worthy rivals. Nowadays however they get subsidized for having accomplished nothing, and have no threat to their throne, nothing strong about that.

But anyway, I wasn't really disputing the monarchy thing, just pointing out how absurd it is for you to attempt to monopolize the definition of conservatism.

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Appeals to tradition, Everywhere!

Heck no , the senate is not supposed to be representative of populations it's supposed to be representives of the states

Of course not. The Senate works fine as it is. Stop complaining because your cities-only strategy is locking you out of it, Democrats.

Democrats?

Amazing how nobody has managed to present a moral argument as to why some people should be better represented than others. 23 posts and nothing aside from DavidB's political expediency comment. Simply amazing.

If it ain't broke, don't fix it

-Ancient Chinese proverb

Most Federal states have a system somewhat like this.

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Well mine is literally not an appeal to tradition. I'm talking about current countries.

You're right, although I would have honestly put your entire post here, no offense.

I don't care if someone puts my post here, I care that they at least give a legitimate reason. Appeal to tradition has no relevance to my post.

Yeah it was pretty inaccurate, I couldn't think of the more fitting term Argumentum ad populum at that moment though, apologies for that.

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One of the greatest FF of all time. If Trump succeeds, her life will have represented the pinnacle of the American dream. Hillary and Trump have exposed the true depths of fear, prejudice and misogyny in the American tragedy, even in our hallowed institutions such as the FBI, to everyone and even to herself.

How delusional.

FBI hallowed, Lol.

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I'd be furious if this happens, they should all be deported.

You're not an American. Deal with it.

The neocon wants foreigners to but out.

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I'd be furious if this happens, they should all be deported.

You're not an American. Deal with it.

The neocon wants foreigners to but out.

Such a post would belong in the irony oremine, if anywhere at all.

Such a thing actually exists?

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This could possibly be the one positive legacy that Trump could leave for his successor, at least when it concerns foreign policy -a defanged North Korean regime.  And  if Kim Jong-un really badly miscalculates, possibly a regime change.  

But North Korea has artillery pointed and ready at the capital of South Korea at all times... it would take them about 10 minutes to kill millions of South Koreans.

Is it worth to go pre-emptive and have the lives of millions on your hands?

The "sea of fire" has been repeatedly debunked time and time again, yet this keeps coming up. Few of their artillery can actually reach Seoul, and that's assuming the more modern ones actually actually work! Of course there will be thousands of civilian deaths, but millions? Simply absurd.

Speaking lightly of "thousands of civilian deaths" like it's nothing. Why are Americans so bloodthirsty?  North Korea has killed precisely zero Americans.

Overlooking the plight of hundreds of thousands trapped in gulags, how can you be so stone hearted Beet? How can a human think be this way?

It's not so nice when the other side tries to poison the well is it?

Look, you're literally advocating mass murder. Why? Presumably you have a comfortable life in California, almost certainly no North Korean has personally bothered you, or harmed you in any way. Yet you want them dead. Why not just live your life, and let others live theirs?

The exact argument can be said in reverse, silence in the face of injustice is consent. I however will not debase myself and call you murderer for taking that stance. I am disappointed that you are incapable of keeping yourself composed when you are confronted with the same kind of language you used to incite a reaction out of me.

You advocate for an unprovoked attack that, by your own admission, would result in the deaths of "thousands" of innocent civilians. What else is to be called but what it is? If it's our job to end injustice in the world, then let's start with Bashar al-Assad's regime in Syria, then continue on to Saudi Arabia, then continue on to Egypt and Iran. All of these would be easier than North Korea.

Do you admit that leaving North Korea alone will mean tens of thousands more dying in gulags? Yes or no question.

I admit to wanting our country to live in peace. I admit that we should stop being the world's policeman, as Trump campaigned on, and that we should focus on rebuilding the middle class here at home, as Trump campaigned on. I don't want to see our brave young men and women dying in another distant, far off war, especially a land war in Asia against a nuclear power. I think we should mind our own business and focus on domestic healing and reconciliation. That's what I'll admit to.

Beet tries to save face after being cornered with his own rhetoric.

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Was she the best choice for the nominee of the Party in 2016 in an anti-establishment year?

Who says Bernie would have been better? Remember, Feingold lost to Johnson in Wisconsin. It's not guaranteed Bernie would have won. Trump had to fend off 16 tough GOP candidates and then took on the Clinton machine, something Bernie could not do.

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It appears Republicans are moving on to their next agenda item, tax reform, so I think now is a good time to talk about where and how we think it might go.  Will the Freedom Caucus and moderates clash once more, scuttling Republican consensus, or will it be much easier to find areas of agreement on this issue than health care reform?  Might some Dems vote in favor of a bill they come up with? Share your thoughts.

Well, 12 conservadems voted for the 2001 Bush tax cut. Feinstein is the only one still in the Senate.

Feinstein the blue dog. I can see what he's trying to say, but what terrible terminology!

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Everyone is going to support whatever electoral system is best for their party, which is fine and the way things should be.  I would hardly call it crazy for Nebraska to move to the system that 48 states use.

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Lincoln's Republican Party was far more vicious.